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Hey all. I had actually posted on this once before, but I am wondering does anybody else not like the new automix arrangement?

I'm a mobile DJ. I use both automix and manual. wen I'm away from my console doing crowd interaction, I just click automix. And its great that it works now, but I wish it would just keep on playin my song list, starting with the one on the inactive deck ready to play. With the strange way automix works now, If I wanna leave my console, I click automix, the next song I intend to play is waiting loaded on the inactive deck, but it will not play next. Automix picks the song remaining at the top of the playlist instead.

Oh.. and why the heck would anyone want the song left in the playlist after it is played. Another strange thing. Now when we load the songs from the play list mixing manually, they are removed from the playlist. Then we use automix for a bit, and the already played songs from that portion of our gig are left in the playlist. Not a huge deal, but kinda annoying.

I think what most DJs would like is just a simple "auto-pilot" for what ever reason they need it.

I'm sure I'm not alone when I ask, bring back the two deck automix please. ... or at least make it optional.

Orange
 
Posté Thu 23 Aug 07 @ 11:20 am
You are right, you posted it once before and please don't double post. The Automix is what it is. And how can you call it strange? Windows Media Player, WinAmp, VLC, and any others that all people said worked better than v4's Automix --- well guess what, that's what you got. A single deck player.

And if you are going to use it as you described above, then clean out your playlist and be sure you are set correctly before you walk away from your rig to work the crowd.

OH and get over it and use it for what it is designed to do. It's no longer a staging area for songs throughout the night. It is an automix Playlist only.
If you want a wait list, use the SideList.

So, Is it simple, I think allot more simple than you and most are willing to give it and you just don't want change.
 
BPM Studio functionality and ease of use (two windows, two play lists, two players OR two players, one list, one window) might be a model to consider for alternative ideas for some future release, assumming the German/French thing is a bygone or that Numark is more willing to listen/react to customers.

And for what it's worth, CStoll your bedside manner stinks.
 
I think the one deck automix will be fine... Just takes a bit of getting used to........

What i would like to see with it is a button to be able to switch between the track playing and the next track it will mix to on that deck... That way if you want to make any adjustments to it or change the cue points or just have a look at it etc then you can... If not you just leave it to do it's work.

So in a way it will be like a 3rd player BUT can only be used and accesses when automix is in operation and 2 tracks are loaded into the player in the automix feature.

You could even go one further and when you switch the player to the next song being played it would be great to be able to preview it through a channel on the sound card (possibly the same channel as the samples).....
 
Cap Capello wrote :
And for what it's worth, CStoll your bedside manner stinks.


I will put a request in for a change to DR Cstoll , maybe I will get better with my bedside manners.

Honestly, this is being thoroughly discussed in other threads. Don't need 15 threads on the same topic. Contribute to the ones that exist.
 
uuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you guys r hackin' on Cstoll !!!???

don't do personal attacks it's not cool ..... Cstoll makes major contributions 'round these parts ..........

i have been known to be tough or a real pain about the record case ...... i am reserving judgement and trying a few things b4 i rush to an opinion

pain in the a$$ chuck , over 'n out
 
anyone who depends on the automix should go find another job anyway...be a bartender or something, that's what the automix is there for.
Real DJ's mix their own tracks, plain and simple. If you can't deal with that, though luck. Just be glad I'm not in your area, 'coz if I was I would definitly steal your gig from you..hehe
just my two cents..(and then some...hehe)
 
uuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i use the automix a lot myself and it would be a waste of a good dj if i was a bartender ........

when 6 new dancers show up within minutes of each other and you have to say hello and put them into the rotation and talk down (from the stage) the last dancer and talk up the new one coming on and the phone rings from the champagne court to skip the next dancer ...... sometimes it's difficult to have enough hands to do all those things .... the auto can help you out

i am not a great scratcher or anything like that but i'm a good mc and i can multi task well beyond many others .......

i'm sure we all have our own valuable sets of skills

comparing apples to oranges is ................................. fruitless

when i'm not doing strip clubs i am a mobile party and wedding dj .......

the automix is very useful in any number of situations ...... if vdj or any other vendor has an automix feature you would expect them to implement and support it like any other feature

it's not ok to say if people who use it want changes that there is something wrong with them

they are paying customers with a suggestion or complaint which needs to be listened to and addressed
 
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anyone who depends on the automix should go find another job anyway...be a bartender or something, that's what the automix is there for.
Real DJ's mix their own tracks, plain and simple. If you can't deal with that, though luck. Just be glad I'm not in your area, 'coz if I was I would definitly steal your gig from you..hehe



That statement is very gay may i add. I use the automix constantly, but i can sit down and dj with the best, if not better...my job is not so much about mixing the music, but talking to my crowd and talking for the girls on the stage and i like to walk away and interact with the crowd while the music continuosly plays and "automixes" us strip club dj's don't beat match that often because of the wide variety of music we play (pretty much every genre out there) so for someone to say they shouldn't be doing it has alot of nerve. Knowing memorizing and doing what i do is just as hard if not harder then playing a "set" in a club.

NeWayz on the new automix function, i like that it works smooth, but i have two complaints...one i like visual of both songs going to make sure everything is going ok, and the new feature just plays out the visual on the one till end then shows the other, sometimes can get confusing but not a big deal....the other is yes sometimes i like to cue up a point in a song and then automix it, with the visuals and stuff like that and then walk away, so for that i like to have dual deck automix.

i think this is a very easy issue to address for everyone and the dev team should have no problem with it, so everyone should stop complaining and just say they miss it. Hey all that needs is an option, single deck automix, dual deck automix, or NONE LOL

thx
 
chucknorrisyouwimps wrote :
uuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i use the automix a lot myself and it would be a waste of a good dj if i was a bartender ........

when 6 new dancers show up within minutes of each other and you have to say hello and put them into the rotation and talk down (from the stage) the last dancer and talk up the new one coming on and the phone rings from the champagne court to skip the next dancer ...... sometimes it's difficult to have enough hands to do all those things .... the auto can help you out

i am not a great scratcher or anything like that but i'm a good mc and i can multi task well beyond many others .......

i'm sure we all have our own valuable sets of skills

comparing apples to oranges is ................................. fruitless

when i'm not doing strip clubs i am a mobile party and wedding dj .......

the automix is very useful in any number of situations ...... if vdj or any other vendor has an automix feature you would expect them to implement and support it like any other feature

it's not ok to say if people who use it want changes that there is something wrong with them

they are paying customers with a suggestion or complaint which needs to be listened to and addressed


Not trying to dog on anybody, but I think you just answered my post perfectly.
Because you seem to already have another job than DJ'ing:
Nr.1:your a manager, making sure everything go smoothly with the girls, that VIP champagne guys are happy etc. etc.
Nr.2: You are a great MC. (and I have no reason to not believe you) but being a MC is really not being a DJ is it? Like Beastie Boys used to say: 3 MC's and 1 DJ..hehe
But none of that have anything to do with DJ'ing does it?

I'm not doubting your skills or anyone elses for that matter, but you brought up the apples and oranges which explains it quite good.
Apples=DJ vs Orange=Automix I.E not the same thing.

I'm not saying that the automix is not useful, because it is indeed. But I just can't understand why people expect the software to do the gig for them and getting upset when it doesn't perform the way you want it to.
Then I get like: argh!!! just do your job already.
If people wanted automix they'd buy a jukebox. Or just a computer with iTunes set to shuffle.
To my DJ'ing is knowing music and music history, preparing tracks and list in advance to suit the club/event you're working that night, to set up the musical night just right taking the guest on a musical journey that they didn't know they were going on, to read the crowd and do change-up if something isn't right, and of course if you beatmix perfectly and do scratching as well that is great! but it's far from a necessity..knowing your music and crowd and being a good programmer will most likely make you one of the best dj's around. perfect mixing and scratching just takes it over the top.
To me DJ'ing is so much more than just a job, it's a passion. And that's why I tend to be annoyed with people who seems to take this for granted and just uses automix to sit through the night and make a quick buck on something a lot of us other DJ's have spent years on perfecting.

I didn't mean to go off at anyone specifically, and of course all customers are entitled to have their own questions and demands. But, I've just grown tired by all the negativiy on the forum lately, that's why I was a bit "snappy". This is exactly why I made "The Happy Topic :)"
Sorry if I offended anyone, that was not my intention. (Just needed to blow of some steam..hehe)


 
perhaps in the next update we could have the new automix and a "classic" automix option . I'm still torn. i like to see the start and end points of the automix to see if they need adjusted
 
that would of course be a great solution ;)
 
uhhhhh sorry to disappoint but i'm "just " a dj ..... if you are a mobile guy you have some expectation of yourself (shared by your clients ) that you will be a capable mc and keep things moving as appropriate to the event .... i have found that is a way to be noticed in the gentleman's clubs also ......

maybe i need to state what is obvious to me , but , while i am as busy as i indicated ...... it's just taken for granted that i will play what the ladies want, if i can cut myself a break and run on auto for a few songs or more that's excellent .....frees up my hands , needed to collect and count money and change the board and answer th phone ........ i mix and beat match .... don't scratch but that's not the kinda club ....

anyway , i stand by what i said ... come walk a mile in my shoes ......
 
Yes please, come walk them in my shoes also, i don't do 4 hour gigs, i do 9 hour nights, 9 to 6am with constant bitching and griping from girls about this and that, and who stole whos shoes and who is wearing the same outfit, and hey from the brazilian chicks, i wanna hear disco, and when i play disco, that means r&b to them hahahah go figure...have fun dj's but don't judge till u dj in a gentlemans club
 
chucknorrisyouwimps wrote :
uhhhhh sorry to disappoint but i'm "just " a dj ..... if you are a mobile guy you have some expectation of yourself (shared by your clients ) that you will be a capable mc and keep things moving as appropriate to the event .... i have found that is a way to be noticed in the gentleman's clubs also ......

maybe i need to state what is obvious to me , but , while i am as busy as i indicated ...... it's just taken for granted that i will play what the ladies want, if i can cut myself a break and run on auto for a few songs or more that's excellent .....frees up my hands , needed to collect and count money and change the board and answer th phone ........ i mix and beat match .... don't scratch but that's not the kinda club ....

anyway , i stand by what i said ... come walk a mile in my shoes ......


you're actually contradicting your own statement in your own post..which is quite remarkable...how can you say you're "just" a dj if your job discription includes collecting and counting money and answering the phone??don't tell me you consider that dj'ing as well? :P
anyway, I might just take you up on your offer the next time I'm in the states, if you'd let me ;) I always wanted to work a strip club in the US...:P

@ djbabylon:

What makes you think I don't do 9 hour shifts? I'm not saying I do it on a regular basis, but I always do long gigs no matter what..I WISH my nights were 4 hours long ;)
Seems like the needs in a stripclub is a bit different than "normal" clubs and that automix might be the perfect solution for you guys, seeing that you need to tend to so much other stuff at the same time.(But calling it a gentlemans club is a bit of a stretch isn't it really?'coz when did you actually meet a gentleman at a place like that?I know I never act like one whenever I pay women to take their clothes of, and I certainly haven't seen anbody do..hehe)

 
Well....I kinda liked the interface of 4.3...I think it would benifit to get an interface that is stable...5.0 has some major flaws but once corrected..it would rock...hopefully bringing the optional 4.3 automix feature back and let the dj at the time decide which interface best suits him/or her ,would work for those who need it..examples of flaws:click on genre choose one of those like rock..example..goto the search field type *....this is supposed to let you see all that is in that genre example rock...but instead it freezes...this is just one flaw...I feel vdj should be stable and work...without errors that cost you time... restarting the program, especially in the middle of a show....could cost you the gig...Master J
 
Ding, ding. Round 4. I'm scared to come into this ring. But jump in I must. I know change can be a little disheartening, but it's all a part of life. Is this feature that bad? Has everyone actually tried to work with it, to see if it will meet their needs, or just bitching because it's not the way it used to be? I am taking a better look at this function, because I don't use it. Because of that, I did not test as I should have during beta testing. I did test one aspect this afternoon, and can say it worked fine for what I would use it for. Which is easy listening while I change for a mobile affair, of if there was something pressing at the club. I tried it in the smart mode, and it played flawlessly. It did start "Get Me Bodied" by Beyonce, 1/3 of the way of the song. However, none of these songs had cue points, but it still started on a beat. I will try the other 2 modes, and the Beyonce cut with a cue point, to see if it's better. I just can't see this as a wrist slashing issue.

On another note, I am also a DJ in a "Gentlemen's" club, and can see that we are not all the same. I try to beat mix everything. My girls are scared to ask me for a request, and I love it. I let them know the first day they come in, that I am not a jukebox. All I want to know is what type of music they like, and that I will "see" how I can work it in. My primary concern is the customers. I let them know that in "Gentlemen's" clubs, they don't hear the music, UNLESS IT'S A LOT OF STUFF THEY DON'T LIKE. There will not be 20 minutes of hip hop, if all my customers are heavy metal heads. My last hour today was all 80's rock videos, beat-mixed. I only had one rock dancer, but they all kissed me, gave me a little squeeze, and tipped out. My customers in the daytime are 80% white males, over the age of 30. Most of them are not riding around in their cars, listening to Daddy Yankee, or Don Omar. I can have ten dancers, and they all want to hear reggaeton. It's not gonna happen. My pimp hand is strong, and you need to make sure they are happy to give you their hard earned money. So occasionally, I will ask one if she has anything new she would like to hear. This lets her know that I love her, but she may also turn me on to something that's hot, that I missed. Also, if she is the first to say she likes something, when she's there, I will only play it for her. I don't play anything twice.
 
I'm pretty happy with mechanics of Automix.

I only ever use Automix for ambiance, a time when the music is not the centre of attention, but is in the background to enhance the mood. So no such demands for being able to precisely pin point the exact moment of when one song fades to another.

The only thing i miss from the two deck automix is knowing the next track is gonna play ok. As i use Napster, i sometimes find that some of the tracks suddenly want their DRM licence renewed or need downloading again or have been removed from Napster completely, so they won't play. Because of this, i never have complete faith that the next track is going to work.

I would find it useful if there was an idication on the playlist that the cue'd track will play ok, (for example Green for will, red for won't)

Automix Now coming back would also be nice (from my point of view). But still, i can still do everything i need to, just need to do it a slightly different way to ensure it goes smoothly.


 
You know, it is almost possible to recreate the old automix function with a macro in v5,
I made a macro to imitate the old automix, but I cant get the macro to select the other deck for automix(which works manually)

First disable automix on the deck that is playing
<sc key="space" action="automix" chan="active" value="0" />

The select the other deck
<sc key="space" action="select" chan="active" />

Start the other deck
<sc key="space" action="play" value="auto" />

Sync the other deck
<sc key="space" action="sync_nocbg" />

And crossfade it
<sc key="space" action="auto_crossfade" />

Enable automix on the other deck
<sc key="space" action="automix" chan="active" value="1" />

It seems that the automix command enables automix on the deck that has the crossfader "majority"(if the crossfader is to the left or right), as far as I can determine it does not care which deck is active.

Of course, it is possible to do the enabling manually after the mix is done simply by clicking the Automix after the crossfader has moved to the other deck. Would be nice if it could be done automatically :)

Any help would be much appreciated!
 
Personally, I would like to have the option of having 2 deck automix returned.

It does take getting used to...
 
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