mp3jrick
http://scratchlive.net/forum/discussion/?discussion_id=32385
Always blame something else when in doubt.
If this stuff ran on pride it would never fail.
Always blame something else when in doubt.
If this stuff ran on pride it would never fail.
Posté Mon 12 Mar 07 @ 12:01 am
listen2
that's why i'd never buy Denon's lol
Posté Mon 12 Mar 07 @ 12:42 am
ConQuest
That's hilarious!
Replace the cd decks when it's SSL's issue, maybe even an OS X issue with his SSL set-up, but I doubt it.
I see what you mean though in that the SSL users refuse to point the blame squarely where it belongs, on their beloved SSL. It's absolutely ridiculous that people are telling him to swap his cd decks. =P
Was this thread posted in the Mac forums only because he's running a MacBook Pro? Seems better suited for General Discussion since nothing indicates this to be a Mac OS issue, rather an SSL one.
This wrongful blame game sounds EXACTLY like what I've been telling my clients and customers for years is what has happened in the past with windows computers in general.
"Well let's see, my Toshiba laptop lasted qbout a year and a half (typical), but then it got really slow and would take it 15-20 minutes just to boot up! So I bought a Dell and the same thing started happening but on top of all that, I got a bunch of viruses and it started crashing so I kept having to re-install my OS."
Gee Mr. Customer, did you ever stop to think that the common denominator, or weakest link in both those computers was windows OS? People need to stop blaming the hardware manufacturers as much as they do thinking that going from one windows pc to another windows pc is gonna solve the real problem, which is windows itself.
In the past, too many users have wrongfully blamed what they can physically touch, the hardware, because they are just now starting to figure out that the problem is actually windows OS more often then not, which they cannot bang on or throw out the window because it's software loaded on the hardware, which is why they bang on it and throw the windows pc where it belongs, out the window or in the "Recycle Bin"(LOL!).
Funny post though mp3jrick, and definately shows that blind loyalty can often be better described as blind ignorance! ;)
- VT ConQuest
(Visual Turntablist)
Replace the cd decks when it's SSL's issue, maybe even an OS X issue with his SSL set-up, but I doubt it.
I see what you mean though in that the SSL users refuse to point the blame squarely where it belongs, on their beloved SSL. It's absolutely ridiculous that people are telling him to swap his cd decks. =P
Was this thread posted in the Mac forums only because he's running a MacBook Pro? Seems better suited for General Discussion since nothing indicates this to be a Mac OS issue, rather an SSL one.
This wrongful blame game sounds EXACTLY like what I've been telling my clients and customers for years is what has happened in the past with windows computers in general.
"Well let's see, my Toshiba laptop lasted qbout a year and a half (typical), but then it got really slow and would take it 15-20 minutes just to boot up! So I bought a Dell and the same thing started happening but on top of all that, I got a bunch of viruses and it started crashing so I kept having to re-install my OS."
Gee Mr. Customer, did you ever stop to think that the common denominator, or weakest link in both those computers was windows OS? People need to stop blaming the hardware manufacturers as much as they do thinking that going from one windows pc to another windows pc is gonna solve the real problem, which is windows itself.
In the past, too many users have wrongfully blamed what they can physically touch, the hardware, because they are just now starting to figure out that the problem is actually windows OS more often then not, which they cannot bang on or throw out the window because it's software loaded on the hardware, which is why they bang on it and throw the windows pc where it belongs, out the window or in the "Recycle Bin"(LOL!).
Funny post though mp3jrick, and definately shows that blind loyalty can often be better described as blind ignorance! ;)
- VT ConQuest
(Visual Turntablist)
Posté Mon 12 Mar 07 @ 2:54 am
anewsome
Number of times SSL has crashed for me: 0
Posté Mon 12 Mar 07 @ 4:00 am
ConQuest
anewsome wrote :
Number of times SSL has crashed for me: 0
Yeah, I can't recall having seen it take a dive on anyone personally, or having heard it doing so since DJ Able (Stacks Vinyl staff) told me about DJ Revoluion's performance at the first Rock The Bells concert in late '04. Took a dump in front of several thousand people.
Of course he was on a windows computer at the time, and I suspect that was the big mistake. Soon after that he switched to Mac, and guess what? No issues like that ever since. Coincidence? I think not.
THAT incident is in LARGE part why SO many other prominent turntablists and dj's have switched to Mac in HUGE numbers over the past 2 years.
Most turntablists and serious dj's are NOT techs (unlike you anewsome, as well as myself) who can "manage" windows to where it's stable. The artists who are world renowned and high profile got to where they are by spending their time practicing turntablism and djing, NOT fixing broken windows OS.
Like I said, word travels quickly in our circuit about everything, and no one wants to be the next topic of discussion in a bad way. So for all the artists who want to avoid (to a much greater extent with a much greater degree of certainty) the "my computer crashed in front of hundreds or thousands of people", do yourself a favor, http://www.apple.com/getamac/.
Posté Mon 12 Mar 07 @ 4:40 am
GlobeTap
I don't personally use SSL but I have seen it crash several times. More often on PC's but i have even seen it crash on Mac. Just last week a fellow dj was using SSL on her MacBook at it crashed twice in one night.
One thing i think all of us have to remember and understand is that any software solution is not going to be as stable as a hardware solution, so as a Pro DJ you have to be prepared and have a backup solution in case SSL or Virtual DJ goes down.
One thing i think all of us have to remember and understand is that any software solution is not going to be as stable as a hardware solution, so as a Pro DJ you have to be prepared and have a backup solution in case SSL or Virtual DJ goes down.
Posté Mon 12 Mar 07 @ 6:55 am
ConQuest
GlobeTap wrote :
I don't personally use SSL but I have seen it crash several times. More often on PC's but i have even seen it crash on Mac. Just last week a fellow dj was using SSL on her MacBook at it crashed twice in one night.
Wow. She must be doing something very wrong. =(
But yes, nothing and no one is is infallible. All I meant by my post above is that everything is proprtional. As in would you rather use the computer that craps out on you everyday, or the one that does so once a month? It's about reducing risk, and in our scene, I don't know anyone that doesn't want to avoid the risk of being put in an embarassing situation that they could have taking better measures to guard against, and having that situation be carried by word of mouth to ultimately tarnish one's reputation.
Apple's Macs are a lot more stable and less prone to issues (of all kinds) than windows pc's because of the much higher level of quality control that it employs, notably seamless integration between the hardware and software.
GlobeTap wrote :
One thing i think all of us have to remember and understand is that any software solution is not going to be as stable as a hardware solution, so as a Pro DJ you have to be prepared and have a backup solution in case SSL or Virtual DJ goes down.
Very true.
Posté Mon 12 Mar 07 @ 7:15 am
mp3jrick
CQ, The reason I posted it here is because it happened on a Mac and I really didn't want to start another PC vs Mac battle.
It just seems rather ironic that from a camp that slams VDJ every chance they get, that the very same thing would happen and they're too proud to suggest that is might be a program issue.
Not that it is, but to blame everything but, seems like an error in judgment.
It just seems rather ironic that from a camp that slams VDJ every chance they get, that the very same thing would happen and they're too proud to suggest that is might be a program issue.
Not that it is, but to blame everything but, seems like an error in judgment.
Posté Mon 12 Mar 07 @ 11:13 am
sbangs
there so lame ...
Posté Mon 12 Mar 07 @ 11:44 am
sbangs
read there bug list
http://scratchlive.net/forum/area/?area_id=8
its always somthing esles fault.
http://scratchlive.net/forum/area/?area_id=8
its always somthing esles fault.
Posté Mon 12 Mar 07 @ 11:47 am
ConQuest
mp3jrick wrote :
CQ, The reason I posted it here is because it happened on a Mac and I really didn't want to start another PC vs Mac battle.
Got it.
Just wanted to make sure that it wasn't an attempt to blame this, quite frankly, dumb issue on Mac OS, as it more than likely is an SSL issue.
mp3jrick wrote :
It just seems rather ironic that from a camp that slams VDJ every chance they get, that the very same thing would happen and they're too proud to suggest that is might be a program issue.
That is what I figured rick. I just wanted clarification that it was to point out that SSL users are too loyal, which often times leads to blind ignorance, and in this case blatant denial.
mp3jrick wrote :
Not that it is, but to blame everything but, seems like an error in judgment.
Yup.
Posté Mon 12 Mar 07 @ 2:14 pm
bottomend
Another place to get no help. Notice the length of time between my posts. What a waste of cash.
http://torq-dj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1177
http://torq-dj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1177
Posté Mon 12 Mar 07 @ 10:11 pm
how quaint a free phppb install so all 5 of there customers can chat =D
sad such a rich company using a cheapstake method :(
sad such a rich company using a cheapstake method :(
Posté Mon 12 Mar 07 @ 10:36 pm
ConQuest
bottomend wrote :
Another place to get no help. Notice the length of time between my posts. What a waste of cash.
11 days for a response that simply tells you that you can create a playlist? =P
Kayle wrote :
how quaint a free phppb install so all 5 of there customers can chat =D(
Yes, but I wouldn't underestimate the influence that DJ Revolution http://www.myspace.com/djrevolution will have in getting Torq adopted by a lot of turntablists, high profile and up and coming.
He's local and i first met him back in '96. His skills are ridiciulously good!
Plus, he's the dj for the nationally syndicated radio Hip-Hop program, The Wake Up Show http://www.wakeupshow.com/.
VDJ/VV slaps Torq around like an unwanted stepchild IMO though. =)
Posté Tue 13 Mar 07 @ 5:15 am
ok i apologise then a quint forum for all 6 of there customers to chat =D
Posté Tue 13 Mar 07 @ 10:17 am
ConQuest
Kayle wrote :
ok i apologise then a quint forum for all 6 of there customers to chat =D
=D
That may be the case right now, but again, I'm just saying don't underestimate the power that 1 high profile person who has an international voice, presence, and influence has over 1000 bedroom and hobbist dj's who won't influence anyone beyond their household or private event to buy a product.
That's exactly why Rane and M-Audio get world renowned turntablists and dj's, like Shortkut and Revolution respectively, to represent them.
It's about working smarter, not harder.
Get 1 high profile person to sell 100 copies of VDJ/VV, not 100 people to sell 1 copy. =)
Posté Tue 13 Mar 07 @ 1:26 pm
mp3jrick
Remember Cq that VDJ amidst it's come from behind WIN was done so by word of mouth among bedroom, hobbyist and push button dj's who bought hundreds of THOUSANDS of copies of this program.
You may have that process a bit backwards my friend.
The future impact of a few high profile dj's has yet to be seen.
While it's surly the gateway to the club dj scene, I would venture to guess there are 3 times as many non club djs buying this program.
Think about the ratio of club jobs : private jobs there are.
You may have that process a bit backwards my friend.
The future impact of a few high profile dj's has yet to be seen.
While it's surly the gateway to the club dj scene, I would venture to guess there are 3 times as many non club djs buying this program.
Think about the ratio of club jobs : private jobs there are.
Posté Tue 13 Mar 07 @ 1:58 pm
ConQuest
mp3jrick wrote :
Remember Cq that VDJ amidst it's come from behind WIN was done so by word of mouth among bedroom, hobbyist and push button dj's who bought hundreds of THOUSANDS of copies of this program.
You may have that process a bit backwards my friend.
You may have that process a bit backwards my friend.
Unfortunately, bigger isn't better, better is better.
mp3jrick wrote :
The future impact of a few high profile dj's has yet to be seen.
Are you serious?
Ask norway if Jazzy Jeff has done anything for establishing SSL's dominance here in the U.S., and then ask yourself why Nike sponsors a relative handful of high profile players.
Yes, their shoes are purchased by the unknown masses, but if they relied on that alone, they wouldn't be spending millions on those sponsorships and then they surely wouldn't have the following and visibility that they do.
It's the old "do you want to be a Porsche or a Ford?" scenario.
Sure, there's a lot more Fords than Porsches, but you won't see a Porsche aspiring to be Ford.
You will surely see Ford wanting to be Porsche though.
When Porsche does something, the entire automotive industry stops, looks, and listens to try and see if it's something that they can do as well to be more like Porsche.
When Ford does something, the entire industry stops, looks, and listens too. Usually to make sure and avoid what Ford is doing.
mp3jrick wrote :
While it's surly the gateway to the club dj scene
Whoa Nelly! ;)
It's not about limiting VDJ/VV to the club scene. That's necessary, but there's so much more.
I'm talking about the entire music industry which includes turntablists/dj's at ALL levels, from touring battle and showcasers, to radio and club, as well as the bedroom/hobbyist.
Every famous artist stated out in their home or "just for fun." But don't make the mistake of losing them if they go beyond the club circuit, into radio or touring, and then they dump VDJ/VV because it's not the INDUSTRY standard.
Needlessly capping Atomix/Numark's VDJ/VV adoption at the club level is just aiming low and completely avoidable.
The reason myself and my partners and friends are pushing Visual Turntablism is because we fully expect to see VT battles and showcases at DMC and ITF within the next couple of years. We're even lining up a showcase now through Ice's record store Stacks Vinyl for this fall/winter and a battle between the best of those showcasers for the leading title next spring/summer.
This is all in anticipation (because we're waiting for VDJ/VV Mac and 3rd gen vinyl) of the direction that we KNOW turntablism and dj'ing is headed, which is Visual Turntablism. It's a done deal, and we'll make it happen.
Those types of events do NOT normally take place at clubs (at least not during a "dance" night), but DO set and raise the bar for ALL turntablists, dj's, and now Visual Turntablists.
mp3jrick wrote :
I would venture to guess there are 3 times as many non club djs buying this program.
Think about the ratio of club jobs : private jobs there are.
Think about the ratio of club jobs : private jobs there are.
I'm not disputing that at all.
But in my 20 years of spinning, I've never met a phone book dj that inspired me to be as good as them.
Nor have we ever watched "The best private party moments" video that made us want to go home and practice anything more than to avoid being like those jocks.
"and for my next selection"... Bah.
Yeah, I do a lot of mobiles too, but the reason I get booked for those is to NOT be a phone book dj and bring a hype club atmosphere to the event when the dancefloor opens up after the formalities.
Posté Tue 13 Mar 07 @ 2:59 pm
ConQuest
Coincidentally Rick, I posted this thread about 40 minutes before you made this comment above:
Let's ensure Atomix/Numark's and VirtualDJ/Virtual Vinyl's widespread adoption:
http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/66731/General_Discussion/Let_s_ensure_Atomix_Numark_s_and_VirtualDJ_Virtual_Vinyl_s_widespread_adoption_.html
mp3jrick wrote :
While it's surly the gateway to the club dj scene
Let's ensure Atomix/Numark's and VirtualDJ/Virtual Vinyl's widespread adoption:
http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/66731/General_Discussion/Let_s_ensure_Atomix_Numark_s_and_VirtualDJ_Virtual_Vinyl_s_widespread_adoption_.html
Posté Tue 13 Mar 07 @ 3:29 pm
mp3jrick
Your analogy's are skewed unless you can show numbers of how many licenses Jazzy Jeff has sold directly.
We KNOW how many licenses are sold and where they come from here.
And yours is a SELECT market, so take the blinders off.
NOTHING appeals to me about SSL, don't care who owns it or who their poster child is.
NIKE??? yer kidding me, everybody wears sneakers, skewed again, poor example.
Licenses are licenses, doesn't matter who buys them.
Hype it up all you want, it's a select market, one we haven't tapped yet really.
But how many direct sales result from it remains to be seen.
In cases like LF Al, dj's protect their secrets, tell me how many sales will come from dj's who keep it a secret?
Phone book, private, push button, bed room, hobbyist, entertainer, karaoke jock...it doesn't matter if they are all buying licenses.
And that is what has allowed this company to grow and keep SSL stagnant in their own little world. SSL appeals to one kind of dj, club scratchers.
There is more to the picture and the dj world than scratch mixers, and your disrespect of those other folks is a little much at times.
Club scratch mixers are not the end all make or break of this business, you should realize that.
And for the one in a thousand that becomes a star club dj next to the ordinary guy like me that makes 350 - 850 - 1600 bucks for a gig, they are not the majority and certainly not the success story you make them out to be.
Most of them are working for free drinks, food and 150 a night.
And how many dj's are going to know or be inclined to go buy software because of a dude scratching on a radio station?
So hype it up all you want, i'm not convinced yet.
We KNOW how many licenses are sold and where they come from here.
And yours is a SELECT market, so take the blinders off.
NOTHING appeals to me about SSL, don't care who owns it or who their poster child is.
NIKE??? yer kidding me, everybody wears sneakers, skewed again, poor example.
Licenses are licenses, doesn't matter who buys them.
Hype it up all you want, it's a select market, one we haven't tapped yet really.
But how many direct sales result from it remains to be seen.
In cases like LF Al, dj's protect their secrets, tell me how many sales will come from dj's who keep it a secret?
Phone book, private, push button, bed room, hobbyist, entertainer, karaoke jock...it doesn't matter if they are all buying licenses.
And that is what has allowed this company to grow and keep SSL stagnant in their own little world. SSL appeals to one kind of dj, club scratchers.
There is more to the picture and the dj world than scratch mixers, and your disrespect of those other folks is a little much at times.
Club scratch mixers are not the end all make or break of this business, you should realize that.
And for the one in a thousand that becomes a star club dj next to the ordinary guy like me that makes 350 - 850 - 1600 bucks for a gig, they are not the majority and certainly not the success story you make them out to be.
Most of them are working for free drinks, food and 150 a night.
And how many dj's are going to know or be inclined to go buy software because of a dude scratching on a radio station?
So hype it up all you want, i'm not convinced yet.
Posté Tue 13 Mar 07 @ 3:51 pm
