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Hi there. I recently bought this mixer (denon dn-x500). When I push the talk over button the music is instant attenuated with a level that can be ajusted. What I don't understand is why the music is instant attenuated when I push the buton. I think the music should be attenuated only when I speak into micropfone. I am used to behringer vmx talkover. On the vmx200 mixer whwn I push the talk over button the attenuation of the music occurs only when I speak to mic. Thanks and sorry about my bad english.
 
Posté Tue 14 Jul 09 @ 3:48 pm
Anybody?
 
I just want to know if it's a faulty unit or this is the way talkover work on this mixer. And is one more thing that bother me. Every channel has it's own leds for you can see the gain level. I'm confused about how are they lit. Let's say we have a mp3 wich has in the begining only bass. So i set the gain level to 0 dB on beat. When the voice part come over, I expect the voice signal to be added on bass line so the overall signal level to be higher. Instead of this the overall signal level (bass+voice) is lower that original signal(only bass). The overall signal level is -1dB
 
And one more question: how should be set the level att switch? on or off ?
 
Hi, I'm afraid I don't have all the answers, but about the LED meters: it seems logical that the meters will read higher with both bass and voice on. But commercial songs are "mastered" to make the volumes constant, so it's probable that the person who "mastered" or mixed the song simply turned down the bass when the voice comes in to make the volume roughly constant.

If you want to check they are working correctly find a song where your ears tell you that one bit is louder and check that the meters agree. A good example will be the beginning of just about any dance record and you'll hear the bass drum only and a few other instruments so you should see the meters going up every time there's a bass drum hit.


As for the mic talkover function: Have you read the manual? I would guess that it works the way the designers intended- if it was broken I guess you wouldn't get any sound at all or get some strange behaviour with the music going up and down on it's own or something.

I'm pretty sure that most DJs just move the fader on the music channel to turn it down when they're talking. I find that works best because you need to turn the music down different amounts depending on the situation and the song. I find that in nightclubs I have to turn the music down quite a lot to make myself heard clearly, but at mobile gigs I don't need to turn it down so much. Also, if I'm talking over an intro or a breakdown in a song I often don't need to turn down the music as much because the intro or breakdown aren't very loud to begin with. But whatever works best for you is the best way.

Hope that helps a bit. Just trust your ears.
 
Thanks for the answers. I was begining to think that I've made a mistake in editing my post so nobody could see what I've written. :)
About the leds.....I'm not very happy about them because I was used to set the gain watching them get lit. I also have a numark cm200usb mixer, behringer vmx200 mixer and behringer ub1204FX-pro mixer. On those mixers the leds on pfl meter lit in real time. On denon dn-x500 you can see a delay. It's a little bit confusing. I guess I'm gonna use my ear often :) Thank you for answering me anyway.
 
Hi ya,

I have the x500......

The talkover button just takes the 'music' down to the pre-programmed level, its not the best solution I have seen on the mixer and is probably the only 'bad' point about the x500. as Andy suggested, I just tend to move the indivdiual channel that is current playing when i want to use the mic.

About the LED's....I have never noticed a delay in mine, let me have a play on mine.......right just had a spin on my x500 and there is deffantly NO delay on the LED's to what is coming out of the speakers.

Hope that helps a little

Fatboy
 
Hi. When I say delay I mean that the last led lit remains lit a little bit longer while the leds under drops :). Anyway the leds is to be trusted only at club music (130 bpm). And another thing that bothers me is that after few hours of mixing the mixer is hot. How about the att switch? How should be set? I use it in "on" position.
 
Oh yeah, I've just realised what you mean! It's like that on some other mixers I've used (I think I saw it on the the pioneer DJM 500 so I guess that the rest of the pioneer mixers are like it as well).

It takes a bit of getting used to, but it is there to help you. It keeps the "peak" LED lit for a second so it's easy for you to see exactly how loud the signal is (well that's the idea). If the music goes louder than that one, then it will go out and instead the one above will remain lit for a second.

I don't think I being very clear, but basically if the 0dB led stays lit, then the loudest part is 0dB. If an extra loud drum hit came in at 2dB within less than a second, then the 0dB would get turned off and the 2dB would be instantly lit instead. So it's weird to begin with, but you are getting an accurate reading from the LEDs. It's not like the 0dB LED stops the ones above it being lit up if there is a volume spike.
 
This is a common mis-conception which annoys me intensely.The different between Talkover and Auto-Talkover functions (we are talking ducker and ducking here).

If you want an auto-talkover, you have to be very careful about the mixer you choose, 'cause most of the lower priced ones won't have this feature.

I am toying with some of the other Virtual DJ software which incorporates an auto-talkover feature into their software (VirtuaDek and Virtual DJ Decks). It is a pity that although that feature is bundled in, the rest of the software as a whole is dire - Almost unusable.

I am waiting for someone to realise a decent Auto-talkover plug-in for Virtual DJ . . . (The Mic Control plug in doesn't do this, i.e. Auto-ducking).
 
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