DJAY BRAINZ
Got me a macbook pro. This baby is fast. It works great with vdj. only got 2 minor problems....I USE ONLY THE KEYBOARD TO DJ WITH.
1. anyone knows how to add these keys to work as vdj shortcut?..shift, fn, control, alt/option, command...key learn wont take them.
2. how do i transfer my database cue points and all over to mac. my music is on an external hd. I have no idea how to do that ntfs thing so if thats the way please explain in details.
We are here to help each other. I am a Jamaican so if anybody needs help smoking some <<<>>> i would be glad to help.
1. anyone knows how to add these keys to work as vdj shortcut?..shift, fn, control, alt/option, command...key learn wont take them.
2. how do i transfer my database cue points and all over to mac. my music is on an external hd. I have no idea how to do that ntfs thing so if thats the way please explain in details.
We are here to help each other. I am a Jamaican so if anybody needs help smoking some <<<>>> i would be glad to help.
Posté Thu 18 Mar 10 @ 1:08 pm
kradcliffe
1 - As explained in the other thread you created it is not possible to assign those keys due to a mac limitation.
2 - If your music is on an external drive the database should be stored on the root folder. You need to edit the database XML to point to the new location MacOS has assigned to it.
To find this out, plug it in and find a song using VDJ explorer. Click to get file infos and the path will be displayed. Just edit the XML and replace the old file locations with the new ones.
I have done this to convert my Windows database to mac and it works great.
Keith
2 - If your music is on an external drive the database should be stored on the root folder. You need to edit the database XML to point to the new location MacOS has assigned to it.
To find this out, plug it in and find a song using VDJ explorer. Click to get file infos and the path will be displayed. Just edit the XML and replace the old file locations with the new ones.
I have done this to convert my Windows database to mac and it works great.
Keith
Posté Thu 18 Mar 10 @ 2:15 pm
Charlie Wilson
If you haven't used your mac yet properly for VDJ then hoe do you know its better?
Posté Thu 18 Mar 10 @ 5:02 pm
DJ SUGAR
Charlie Wilson wrote :
If you haven't used your mac yet properly for VDJ then hoe do you know its better?
because mac is waaaayyyyyyy better than window.
Posté Thu 18 Mar 10 @ 5:09 pm
kradcliffe
I've used both ..... Mac OS is better for latency (so it seems) but the windows version of VDJ is more mature. I'm not doing video so the mac version of VDJ is fine for me but some users are reporting problems with video on the mac version and I've never got it to run perfectly either.
There seems to be some features of the windows version to be added to Mac but I'm sure they will get there.
Keith
There seems to be some features of the windows version to be added to Mac but I'm sure they will get there.
Keith
Posté Thu 18 Mar 10 @ 5:23 pm
SBDJ
DJ SUGAR wrote :
because mac is waaaayyyyyyy better than window.
I'm not the biggest Windows fan in the world; my main working PC (non-gig) doesn't run windows thats for sure. Whether OS X is better than Windows entirely depends on what you are using it for.
Posté Thu 18 Mar 10 @ 9:11 pm
AuralCandy.Net
Majority of video-related problems are caused by the fact that VDJ Mac doesn't have hardware video acceleration...which is more Apple's fault than Atomix Productions'.
Although IMHO it would make sense to take the Serato approach. If I understood correctly, Serato supports only MP4 but has hardware acceleration (on Snow Leopard) by utilizing the Quicktime engine. Having a proper support for at least one format is better than nothing...not to mention that MPEG-4/H.264 is clearly the best format/codec in terms of filesize vs. quality.
Although IMHO it would make sense to take the Serato approach. If I understood correctly, Serato supports only MP4 but has hardware acceleration (on Snow Leopard) by utilizing the Quicktime engine. Having a proper support for at least one format is better than nothing...not to mention that MPEG-4/H.264 is clearly the best format/codec in terms of filesize vs. quality.
Posté Fri 19 Mar 10 @ 3:17 am
Nemisius
"Majority of video-related problems are caused by the fact that VDJ Mac doesn't have hardware video acceleration...which is more Apple's fault than Atomix Productions'"
Not entirely correct. Atomix ported an app via emulation and without using the core development tools for the platform. That is way it is a port and not a native app. This is not Apple's fault that windows applications don't run natively, its not the same language at all. It would be no different if VDJ was OSX native and was ported to PC. That would be much more difficult to do even with the core audio and video support is native with quicktime.
Mac's have hardware video acceleration but you have to develop though apple's method, you can't use development tools or drivers used for windows.
Also of note that Apple is a tightly integrated platform consisting of specific hardware mated with a rock solid OS and supporting software. Windows is an OS and is for the most part hardware agnostic. You can run it with intel via amd chips and boards and a sea of chipsets and graphic cards and get to have fun with drivers for these things. Just enough options to hand yourself with and how many flavors of OS? XP. XP Pro. Vista: Home, HP, Pro Ultimate and Windows 7 same flavors - oh and the 32bit and 64bit versions to. But not much works on 64bit because it is not natively supported and not backwards compatible with 32bit...
Atomix did and incredible job with the windows side and had to develop there own set of decoders for codec support. NO SMALL FEAT. But on the mac side they don't have to, only support quicktime and your good to go. So the port of the VDJ specific decoders is hard to translate and not natively supported on the mac or linix for that matter...
Use Quicktime and you have support of most everything but VOB and MPEG2 natively (Apple has a paid upgrade for that support, shouldn't matter as it is natively supported in VDJ)
"Although IMHO it would make sense to take the Serato approach. If I understood correctly, Serato supports only MP4 but has hardware acceleration (on Snow Leopard) by utilizing the Quicktime engine. Having a proper support for at least one format is better than nothing..."
I haven't used Serato for video, but if it is using the Quicktime engine it should not be limited by much. Quicktime supports plugins like Flip4mac (now,sadly, owned by microsoft) to decode wmv and Perian is a free, open source QuickTime component that adds native support for many popular video formats. So if there is limited support of other codec it was restricted in coding...
"MPEG-4/H.264 is clearly the best format/codec in terms of filesize vs. quality."
Yes, indeed it is. H.264 is the leading codec for streaming, live, transmitted content and is the codec of choice for HD Cameras, IP Cameras, Security, HD companies and streaming media.
Not entirely correct. Atomix ported an app via emulation and without using the core development tools for the platform. That is way it is a port and not a native app. This is not Apple's fault that windows applications don't run natively, its not the same language at all. It would be no different if VDJ was OSX native and was ported to PC. That would be much more difficult to do even with the core audio and video support is native with quicktime.
Mac's have hardware video acceleration but you have to develop though apple's method, you can't use development tools or drivers used for windows.
Also of note that Apple is a tightly integrated platform consisting of specific hardware mated with a rock solid OS and supporting software. Windows is an OS and is for the most part hardware agnostic. You can run it with intel via amd chips and boards and a sea of chipsets and graphic cards and get to have fun with drivers for these things. Just enough options to hand yourself with and how many flavors of OS? XP. XP Pro. Vista: Home, HP, Pro Ultimate and Windows 7 same flavors - oh and the 32bit and 64bit versions to. But not much works on 64bit because it is not natively supported and not backwards compatible with 32bit...
Atomix did and incredible job with the windows side and had to develop there own set of decoders for codec support. NO SMALL FEAT. But on the mac side they don't have to, only support quicktime and your good to go. So the port of the VDJ specific decoders is hard to translate and not natively supported on the mac or linix for that matter...
Use Quicktime and you have support of most everything but VOB and MPEG2 natively (Apple has a paid upgrade for that support, shouldn't matter as it is natively supported in VDJ)
"Although IMHO it would make sense to take the Serato approach. If I understood correctly, Serato supports only MP4 but has hardware acceleration (on Snow Leopard) by utilizing the Quicktime engine. Having a proper support for at least one format is better than nothing..."
I haven't used Serato for video, but if it is using the Quicktime engine it should not be limited by much. Quicktime supports plugins like Flip4mac (now,sadly, owned by microsoft) to decode wmv and Perian is a free, open source QuickTime component that adds native support for many popular video formats. So if there is limited support of other codec it was restricted in coding...
"MPEG-4/H.264 is clearly the best format/codec in terms of filesize vs. quality."
Yes, indeed it is. H.264 is the leading codec for streaming, live, transmitted content and is the codec of choice for HD Cameras, IP Cameras, Security, HD companies and streaming media.
Posté Fri 19 Mar 10 @ 7:40 pm
DJ Cyder
Now let me ask you a question how many cross platform software's have you developed? Its a lot more involved that you think. I'll spare you the technical details and just let you know you are way off in your above statement there are far more bugs in quicklime then there are in directx. Were you present during the initial coding of VDJ for mac? I don't recall seeing you at any of the meetings either. So I would venture to guess you have no idea how VirtualDJ was coded or ported to the mac and I'm also sure that you just highly offended the Mac development team as well.
Posté Fri 19 Mar 10 @ 8:18 pm
kradcliffe
I only started using the mac version about a month ago. Up until then the windows version was great but I was never happy with the sound output using my DN-HC4500 (I don't think the Denon Asio drivers are that great).
Now using the Mac version the sound is perfect however it is plain to see this version is still work in progress. I have reported several issues on the experienced members forum and communicated with the team. I am happy to help develop this platform and spend time beta testing when the new build is released.
Rome wasn't built in a day but I can see the way forward. My communication with Atomix has been positive and I get the feeling that they are keen to spend time and effort to make the Mac version as good as possible.
Again remember VDJ supports a multitude of codecs and controllers and it's impossible to keep everyone happy!
In context M$ have been working on Windows since the early nineties and still can't get it right :)
Now using the Mac version the sound is perfect however it is plain to see this version is still work in progress. I have reported several issues on the experienced members forum and communicated with the team. I am happy to help develop this platform and spend time beta testing when the new build is released.
Rome wasn't built in a day but I can see the way forward. My communication with Atomix has been positive and I get the feeling that they are keen to spend time and effort to make the Mac version as good as possible.
Again remember VDJ supports a multitude of codecs and controllers and it's impossible to keep everyone happy!
In context M$ have been working on Windows since the early nineties and still can't get it right :)
Posté Sat 20 Mar 10 @ 3:45 am
AuralCandy.Net
@Nemesis
Here's a couple free tips:
1) If you don't have a clue of what you're talking about, don't say anything.
2) If you're going to quote somebody, at least do it properly.
Here's a couple free tips:
1) If you don't have a clue of what you're talking about, don't say anything.
2) If you're going to quote somebody, at least do it properly.
Posté Sat 20 Mar 10 @ 5:39 am
kradcliffe
AuralCandy.Net wrote :
1) If you don't have a clue of what you're talking about, don't say anything.
1) If you don't have a clue of what you're talking about, don't say anything.
That's what my wife says to me all the time LOL
Posté Sat 20 Mar 10 @ 7:32 am
DJ Cyder
Sometimes my wife doesn't know what she's on about and its me that doesn't say anything....
Posté Sat 20 Mar 10 @ 7:54 am
Nemisius
It is a lot of work, It is no small feat to create an application on 2 platforms. I know it is easier to go from PC to Mac and the other way from mac to PC generally not done at all. Video worked amazingly well pre 6 and had major issues after. All the other additions, VDJ Script and the like seemed rock solid. Other than a few controller glitches running audio only was amazing and now we can even tweak the controller the way we want to!
Nope you didn't see me at any meetings and if I was good at coding I wouldn't even be looking at another companies dj app - nuff said.
If I offended anyone I didn't explicitly intend to, I am sorry. I can own up to it, but make no mistake, video has been a white elephant and other customers are pretty offended. Support and information, lets say nothing about it.... cyder came the closest to answering - Thank you. Point illustrated.
That being said, meh I don't really like Serato feels too much like Toque which was a lot of pain. VDJ 5 and the one that came with the Steel, fun to goof on Video was solid. Can't do much with it other than the basics but it did not hog processes or resources. I built a PC and played with VDJ6. If it is the only thing run on the PC it feels more stable than the OS it is on...
That's saying something right there and Atomix should be very proud of that.
I played with VDJ6.0.7 last night - massive improvement- I couldn't even use previews in V-Mix 5.4 before. Now it works, output is fast and responsive. Interface never slows or freezes and controller smooth and very responsive even under full video transition and effects. Works almost as good as PC version in bootcamp. Somebody's working overtime on this and this is worth money.
So if your offended, good. You could have said, sorry we are working on this or that. no one did... If you did something about it, your hungry and aggressive. You can do something by attacking me, and I won't care or drink the kool aid. You wont get any more money from me and I wont need to switch to your software .
If your hungry and want to use that energy to make 2 rock solid versions and support mac users: Awesome. Thanks for stepping up.
The Mac developer should be proud of what they have done in version 6.0.7, they brought it up to par with the PC side and it is a massive amount of work and effort. You have made alot of mac users very happy.
Nope you didn't see me at any meetings and if I was good at coding I wouldn't even be looking at another companies dj app - nuff said.
If I offended anyone I didn't explicitly intend to, I am sorry. I can own up to it, but make no mistake, video has been a white elephant and other customers are pretty offended. Support and information, lets say nothing about it.... cyder came the closest to answering - Thank you. Point illustrated.
That being said, meh I don't really like Serato feels too much like Toque which was a lot of pain. VDJ 5 and the one that came with the Steel, fun to goof on Video was solid. Can't do much with it other than the basics but it did not hog processes or resources. I built a PC and played with VDJ6. If it is the only thing run on the PC it feels more stable than the OS it is on...
That's saying something right there and Atomix should be very proud of that.
I played with VDJ6.0.7 last night - massive improvement- I couldn't even use previews in V-Mix 5.4 before. Now it works, output is fast and responsive. Interface never slows or freezes and controller smooth and very responsive even under full video transition and effects. Works almost as good as PC version in bootcamp. Somebody's working overtime on this and this is worth money.
So if your offended, good. You could have said, sorry we are working on this or that. no one did... If you did something about it, your hungry and aggressive. You can do something by attacking me, and I won't care or drink the kool aid. You wont get any more money from me and I wont need to switch to your software .
If your hungry and want to use that energy to make 2 rock solid versions and support mac users: Awesome. Thanks for stepping up.
The Mac developer should be proud of what they have done in version 6.0.7, they brought it up to par with the PC side and it is a massive amount of work and effort. You have made alot of mac users very happy.
Posté Sun 21 Mar 10 @ 12:04 am
MAGAGAR80
I have used VDJ on both Mac and PC and I think that the PC version rocks for videos but the mac has better sound and I didn't have any latency issues with it. I ultimately went with Windows, I just can't be without videos.
Posté Wed 24 Mar 10 @ 11:39 pm
dj-docks
I always work on mac, stability where increase and latency is realy good as well.
Sound quality is really better, it's choc you when you switch between the both versions (App / Win)
Drivers could be problem for some controler because instead of brand driver you have to create aggregate and can create some bugs at beginning, with some time you can correct it and it work properly.
According to me the only disavantage is for plugg'in and effect, after a lot of research (maybe wrong ones^^) i can't found really effect where are interssant and you have to take a hardware option to have them (instead of a MIDI controller like a Pad, wich is my first and wrong choice)
At least, thanx to ATOMIX Team ! really you have made a great work and allow mac user to have a stable and good software solution for mix.
Dj-DockS
ps : soz, for my crap' english, and if you have mac effect I search it :)
Sound quality is really better, it's choc you when you switch between the both versions (App / Win)
Drivers could be problem for some controler because instead of brand driver you have to create aggregate and can create some bugs at beginning, with some time you can correct it and it work properly.
According to me the only disavantage is for plugg'in and effect, after a lot of research (maybe wrong ones^^) i can't found really effect where are interssant and you have to take a hardware option to have them (instead of a MIDI controller like a Pad, wich is my first and wrong choice)
At least, thanx to ATOMIX Team ! really you have made a great work and allow mac user to have a stable and good software solution for mix.
Dj-DockS
ps : soz, for my crap' english, and if you have mac effect I search it :)
Posté Thu 25 Mar 10 @ 9:12 am
kradcliffe
I also think the sound output on my Macbook Pro is far better using the native drivers than using the Denon Asio ones made for Windows.
The Windows drivers sometimes lost the crisp clarity and the songs can warble a little bit. It's not major but noticeable to me. Before I moved to Mac I noticed it on both VDJ5 & 6 and on both XP and 7, so that leads me to believe the Denon Asio drivers are the issue.
The Windows drivers sometimes lost the crisp clarity and the songs can warble a little bit. It's not major but noticeable to me. Before I moved to Mac I noticed it on both VDJ5 & 6 and on both XP and 7, so that leads me to believe the Denon Asio drivers are the issue.
Posté Thu 25 Mar 10 @ 3:10 pm