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Guys without using the sync button how do you beat match two different song could someone explain? if any tutorial available will work too.

thanks
 
Posté Sun 27 Feb 11 @ 7:35 am
first up it's ears and a feel for beats because without them noway to manually beat match.
Then there is the pitch slider, pitch bent and jog wheel.

But I DJ at a club every now and then that has the DJ boot is closed from all sides and the sound commin out of the speaker and headphones are of some mill sec and makes beat matching manually really hard.
 
that means we everytime have to adjust the pitch bend position? and the - and + sign do they also play any role in beat match? it would be readdy awesome if someone could make a video tutorial on how to beat match on VDJ without auto sync.
 
It's a skill that you have to learn from trial and error. Practice, Practice, Practice ....

If you watch and listen to what VirtualDJ does, then you can get the a good tutorial right in front of you.

So a quick example is this -


  1. Make sure your Pitch Range is set at 10%
  2. Load deck 1 with a track and start playing it
  3. Then load a track on Deck 2 that is within that 10% range difference - so if Deck 1 is 120bpm track, load a track to Deck 2 that is somewhere between 108 and 138 bpm.
  4. Press play on Deck 2 and let it play out of sync for a second or two, then hit the SYNC button on Deck 2.


What you will observe is that VirtualDJ changes the tempo to match Deck 2 to Deck 1.
But what VirtualDJ also does is moves the track into alignment via the Computer Beat Grid (CBG) [the blocks under the Rhythm wave]
But this is the most difficult part for people to understand even when using the Sync in VirtualDJ because somethings need to be just right in order for it to work right.

For VirtualDJ to do it there are really 2 methods
- one is the default that uses the CBG as mentioned above
- second is using the actual down beats of the track

In the first case with the CBGs, if they are not properly aligned to the down beats of the track then you will most likely NEVER get a good SYNC to occur. So, you would need to adjust the CBG of the track to use VirtualDJ's SYNC - this is covered in the User's Guide.

The second case, using the down beat is where the 'skill' comes into play. Even with VirtualDJ's SYNC_NOCBG action, VirtualDJ (and your ears) can have problems with synchronizing the tracks if the down beat is not real strong. If it is hard to hear the down beat because it is soft in level (like at the beginning of a track that builds) or surrounded by other instrument sounds that are equal in level but are not part of the actual rhythm beat - it is sometimes difficult to pick out the actual down beat of the track - which can cause 'train wrecks' in the mix.
To see VirtualDJ SYNC using the down beats - you can create a keyboard shortcut to the VDJScript action - sync_nocbg

Now the fun part of doing this by 'ear' --

The one thing I mentioned that VirtualDJ does during sync is that it 'moves' the track into alignment. Now the first and foremost thing is getting the in coming track at the same BPM first. Then moving the tracks into alignment. Now this is difficult when manually mixing if you are not using a controller that has jogs wheels. Having the jog wheels makes it easier because after you get the BPMs matching, you can slow down or speed up the track's playback to get things in alignment.

Without jog wheels this can still be accomplished by simply changing the pitch/tempo of the track using the pitch fader/slider. It takes a lot of effort by increasing then decreasing the pitch/tempo. But you can get tracks matched in pitch/tempo and aligned.

In either case, with a jog or pitch fader/slider; it takes time and the SKILL to be able to get the match quickly like when you use the sync feature of the software.

There are also several other 'tools/methods' that make all this possible when manually beat matching tracks - pitch bending, nudging, etc.

And the SKILL is learning how to use all these methods together to achieve the end state of the tracks matched and in sync.

I know that I may have cut the explanation of doing it by ear very short and with not much detail - but it is difficult to explain what takes LOTS of TIME and PRACTICE to learn. But like I said at the beginning, if you watch and listen to what VirtualDJ does when trying to sync two tracks, you can get your best tutorial on what you have to do when manually matching tracks.

Also, a very key point; if you are going to match two tracks - then the BPMs need to be within the range limit of your pitch control at minimum. There are some advance techniques that can be used when that is not the case - but that is something again, you can only learn and understand once you have a good handle on the basics.
 
thanks soo much. i actually have tried doing it but adjusting the pitch bend and also using the search << search >> buttons we get but still dnt know exactly how it should be done in a correct way for im sure just by adjusting the pitch bend we cannot match beat unless we press some button.
 
ok cheers i got it, what i did was tried to first match the bpm with pitch bend and then wihile playin the headphone cued track i tried to backspin the jog anti clock wise and beat matched successfully :-).


is that the right way to do it?
 
Dj-Milz.Assam wrote :
thanks soo much. i actually have tried doing it but adjusting the pitch bend and also using the search << search >> buttons we get but still dnt know exactly how it should be done in a correct way for im sure just by adjusting the pitch bend we cannot match beat unless we press some button.


you need to get bout songs at the same speed first using the pitch slider. then you can use the pitch bent to make one song go faster or slower so the beats are in sync or use the jog wheel for the same. If you have a song at 120 and the other at 118 then a pitch bent won't beat match them because when you release the pitch bent the song goes back to original speed.


a beat could look like to songs playing
l---l---l---l--- that is a sync beat if the 2 beats look like this l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l- then it's not in sync (beat matched) l is song 2. now you can speed up or slow down 2. song to match the beat so they would play like this l---l---l---l---
 
Dj-Milz.Assam wrote :
ok cheers i got it, what i did was tried to first match the bpm with pitch bend and then wihile playin the headphone cued track i tried to backspin the jog anti clock wise and beat matched successfully :-).


is that the right way to do it?


yes thats what is about glad you figured it out
 
cstoll wrote :
The one thing I mentioned that VirtualDJ does during sync is that it 'moves' the track into alignment. Now the first and foremost thing is getting the in coming track at the same BPM first. Then moving the tracks into alignment.


Yeah, this one critical statement is kind of buried in my post - which gullum has already pointed out.

So, get the BPMs to match first using the pitch slider. Then nudge the track into alignment by using pitch bending.
 
walla brothers u guys rock. its very easy actually not too tough to match if the tempo's are of the same range :-) tho it takes about 10 to 12 seconds to get it to match.

Big thanks to you guys yall rock... \m/
 
Listen to the raio station weekend mixes and other djs Cd's. Hear how they mix and try do the same mix. Do this many times with many other songs. Once you start to get the hang of it, try using different songs on your own and keep doing it until it sounds better.
 
I like to mix total different tempos, say 82 and 148 just as an example.
 
Like this man, first Nd foremost calculate the bpm's of your music. This is the basic foundation for all music mixes. Then just like math you have to figure the bpm difference between two songs. For example if track a is 97.4bpm and track 2 is 99.0bpm then the difference is 1.6. To be able to match the tempo between the songs then you will need to make a bpm adjustment of 1.6 to one of the tracks. Remember the song bpm is always calculated on the zero. Once you learn the bpm foundations then you can pretty much mix between genres like a pro man. Mixing the beats help transition between songs. A very good way to keep snobby (I will dance with you to one song) chicks on the dancefloor pretty much all night. The guy will give you a thumbs up for making his night! Enjoy the music and have fun man.
 
if youre using the pitch slider, an easy way of working it is to move up and down the slider starting with large movements. keep listening to the beat as you go and you will notice it begins to match up.

as it begins to match up you will find the slider action gets smaller and smaller as the track gets closer to sync.

the slider probably wont lend in the middle more often it lands off centre.

a good bit of practice and you will be able to do this easily.

this technique was great back in the day for beatmatching on belt drive TT's or without a mixer or even without headphones.
 
got it :-) so now i know how to.. thanks to you guy for such informative responses.
 
what i wanna know is...how are you gonna call yourself DJ, then ask how to beat match??
 
 
 
I agree. Perhaps this would be a good place to start.

http://www.dubspot.com/about/facilities/

btw....what version of the software are you using?

Im using the VDJ free home edition version as of now until i get me a controller which comes with LE.
 
what i wanna know is...how are you gonna call yourself DJ, then ask how to beat match??

thats an interesting question :-).
 
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