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Should I take the leap and buy an NS6 now or wait for the VMS4.1?

I'm a mobile DJ in need of an all-in-one controller that has a soundcard. I do mix video occasionally and I need the option of at least two microphone inputs. I will do very little scratching, but would like the option if my skills improve. I have narrowed my search to the NS6 or the VMS4.1 after having played with both (VMS4 version). I haven't had a chance to check out the Denon mixer/controller model.


I realize these two controllers have quite a price difference. I can find NS6's in the $850 range and I'm guessing VMS4.1's will be around $5-$600.

Looking for personal opinions. Will the VMS4.1 be as good as the more expensive NS6 and worth the wait?

Thanks!
 
Posté Fri 23 Sep 11 @ 10:15 am
I am going by the NS6
 
Have you looked at the Denon DN-MC600. Works real well with video mixing on VDJ. Rack mountable too.
 
Anything but AA device
 
First, thank you for all the help!

xcakid- I have looked at the Denon-MC600, but only online. No one in my area has the controller so I can try it out.

Would you prefer the Denon model over the more expensive NS6?

Charlie- Do you have a poor opinion of AA because of the problems with the VMS4, or do you think they make poor quality equipment? I can understand frustrations with the VMS4, however; if the VMS4.1 fixes those problems I think it could be a pretty good controller. I might be missing something about AA though...
 
Xcakid- One more question, what makes the Denon better at video mixing than other controllers?
 
i have to admit, i am not so happy with my VMS4, but the 4.1 is supposed to be an improvement on it's flaws as well as its strong suites. After seeing the VMS2 internals and how well it's help up vs. the original VMS4, the 4.1 should be amazing for it's price point ($499 USD) considering the upgraded/similar internals it has now. I really like the versatility of the VMS4(.1). AFAIK, it is the only controller that is able to be a full 4 channel analogue mixer as well as a controller. My plan of action is/was to keep the VMS4 for a while so I can get TTs or CDJs and practice and then upgrade my mixer at a later time. I can upgrade the cross fader if need be.

I'm still undecided though.

 
Serkle K - It is nice to hear from a VMS4 user. Is it true then that the VMS2 does not share the problems the 4 does? Would the 2's internals be similar to the 4.1, without the added inputs and channels?
 
jn015647 wrote :

xcakid- I have looked at the Denon-MC600, but only online. No one in my area has the controller so I can try it out.




I have owned a DNMC6000 since it was released. There was problem with losing connection with the first firmware and has since been fixed. I like the versatility and the size of it over the bigger controllers. Although the jog wheel is much smaller than that of the NS6. I also like the idea of it being native to Traktor and VDJ, both programs that I use. Its small footprint makes it easier to fit in a backpack. I use the large MonoBag backpack and can fit my MC6000, laptop, cans and wires in that bag. I DJ at clubs mainly and there are times where if I am playing with 2+ other DJ's I would just bring a controller. Very convenient.

The layout on the Denon however is very cramped. They put a lot of stuff on this surface. All are useable, but you have big fat finger, it may be a bit rough. Jog and pitch resolution are great on this piece of kit. Like I said, I am mostly club DJ, so having XLR and TRS connectors is a plus. Also having a small footprint is nice for cramped DJ booths. ON the mobile side, I like how it can be rack mountable.

Lots of versatility with this kit.

jn015647 wrote :
Xcakid- One more question, what makes the Denon better at video mixing than other controllers?


The DN-MC6000 has a fader that can be switched for audio only, video only or linked. It mimics the options on VDJ. It is really built to enhance VDJ's capabilities.
 
I can only give my opinion, based on 43 years in this business. Believe it or not, at one time there were NO DJ companies. I remember when Numark was a joke. I have seen it rise u to become a major player. American Audio is in my opinion, a budget minded company, along with Gemini and Behringer. They offer some professional features, functionality, and looks. There is nothing wrong with that. They fill a void between consumer and higher end equipment. There are reasons they can sell their products, at a lower price point. Some of them are no research, construction, less features, lower grade components, and low profile PR. They spend less, so they cost less. Denon has been a quality company, before they got into the DJ business. They have been at the top of their game because they spend money. They are innovative, full feature, use high end components, and construction is rigid. I could afford it so I bought the Denon DN MC6000. I could afford more, but they did not offer the features that I needed. I have always been a rack mount guy, and this gives me that option. I need two mics, without giving up two channels on the mixer. I need a booth out, with eq. I love the mixer only function. I love the headphone jack on the left side (Hello). I'm not crazy about the ducking on the mic, but hey, I can't have everything. These other products may offer more things that you need, only you can decide that. There is no right or wrong, only what works for you. The truth is, as soon as you buy anything, they will come out with something else, so you can't win anyway. That's why you do the research, and make a decision you can live with, and not cry when the next product comes out, because it will come out.
 
The NS6 is way better than the Vms4 deck. The .1 is just improvements. Even with all the improvemnets, Its still not better than the Numark.
 
I own both, the VMS4 and the NS6.

Take my advice and stay as far away from American Audio as you can. The VMS4 was and still is a disaster. They don't even admit that there is a problem AND to make matters worse, they no longer accept phone support calls for this unit since there are so many people with problems.

What if there are problems with the VMS4.1? And then they say that you can't call them for support? You are screwed, just like I am screwed with the VMS4.

Buy the NS6. Nice stable product!

Scott
 
I have the VMS4 and my next controller might be VMS4.1 but I love my VMS4 and I've never had any problems with it at gigs been using it 10 hours each weekend for the last 7 weekends. I don't use a mic and my headphones are good so those 2 problems don't need to be fixed for me, therefor I'll stick to my VMS4 for as long as it still works. I'm getting a bigger power supplie that will bring the volume a bit up.

If I were you I'd wait for the VMS4.1
 
moramax aiuto
 
Does anyone have any thought on the american audio versadeck? I was looking at either that or waiting on the new vms4.1 to come out maybe this week there saying. Why are you all saying the NS6 is better? Does it have stand out features the others dont?? Thanks for the input
 
Update:

After all the advice from this forum, and watching YouTube videos I bought the Denon MC6000.

I received it today and so far so good. The factors that sold me were the video features and the "booth out". As a school A/V guy and a DJ I am really looking forward to this feature. I will be able to run our schools in house system with our external, bit still have control of each separately.
 
if you go to youtube and look for bpm 2011 there was a lot of video of the adj stand with the vms4.1 .

this one was the only one in uk and had no logos of virtual dj on it at the show they was still saleing old stock of vms4's at the show. the new one sounded ok at the showwith new sound card but sound sys was small (truned down)as lots of sand had bigger sys up loud.
 
wait for the VCI-400?
 
A Man and His Music wrote :
I can only give my opinion, based on 43 years in this business. Believe it or not, at one time there were NO DJ companies. I remember when Numark was a joke. I have seen it rise u to become a major player. American Audio is in my opinion, a budget minded company, along with Gemini and Behringer. They offer some professional features, functionality, and looks. There is nothing wrong with that. They fill a void between consumer and higher end equipment. There are reasons they can sell their products, at a lower price point. Some of them are no research, construction, less features, lower grade components, and low profile PR. They spend less, so they cost less. Denon has been a quality company, before they got into the DJ business. They have been at the top of their game because they spend money. They are innovative, full feature, use high end components, and construction is rigid. I could afford it so I bought the Denon DN MC6000. I could afford more, but they did not offer the features that I needed. I have always been a rack mount guy, and this gives me that option. I need two mics, without giving up two channels on the mixer. I need a booth out, with eq. I love the mixer only function. I love the headphone jack on the left side (Hello). I'm not crazy about the ducking on the mic, but hey, I can't have everything. These other products may offer more things that you need, only you can decide that. There is no right or wrong, only what works for you. The truth is, as soon as you buy anything, they will come out with something else, so you can't win anyway. That's why you do the research, and make a decision you can live with, and not cry when the next product comes out, because it will come out.


You say American Audio has no research. Here is a little History lesson for those who are uninformed.
10/1/2000 American Audio had the first tabletop scratching CD Player - The ProScratch. It came out 1 year before the venerable CDJ-1000 (Tascam had the first scratching CD deck. It was a rackmount)
9/11/2001 American Audio releases the DigiPro The FIRST timcoded vinyl system. It controlled a dual CD deck with timecoded vinyl
2/27/2002 American Audio invented the touch sensative (electrostatic) wheel. The ProScratch 2
8/13/2002 American Audio released the QD5 the first mixer with an OPTICAL crossfader.
04/29/2010 American Audio released the original VMS4. Which at the time of release was the most advanced Midi controller on the market. Sometimes being first to market isn't a good thing. Others can learn from your mistakes.
I owned them all. And you say AA does no R&D. That was some of the biggest R&D of any manufacturer at the turn of the century.

I do agree that Numark comes out with some very innovative products, but let's look at some of their history as well.
CDX
HDX
DVD01

These were ground breaking problems, but they also had a ton of problems that were never addressed or aknowledged. They never sent replacements, or refunds. I am a network administrator, and during a conversation with an Engineer from Apple when I purchased a new early 2011 MPB, and they were having a ton of lock ups. He said "Some times you wind up on the cutting edge, sometimes you end up on the bleeding edge."

As a product tester for AA, I will aknowledge the Mic and low output issues with the original VMS, and if you contacted them, they would have sent you a Mic impedence matcher. Also you can boost the sound output with a different power transformer.
 
Umm, your wrong about them having the first table top cdj..........it was in fact Gemini who was first back in 1994

First "CDJ" model was the was the CDJ-16 single rack player which came out in 1991. First tabletop CD player was the CD-8800 in 1994, but the first tabletop CD player with the CDJ moniker was the CDJ-1200 in August 1997, replaced by CDJ-1100 in March of 1990. And the first small tabletop CD player was the CDJ-10, released in September 1999.

They are recognized as having the first ever "CDJ".........yup even before the beloved Pioneer.......

Alittle more research before you try teaching others grasshopper
Huey
 
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