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Forum: Wishes and new features

Sujet: Disable waveform change with gain
Hi team,

I’d like to request a feature related to waveform behavior.

Currently, when adjusting the Gain/Trim on a deck, the waveform size and intensity change accordingly. I’m requesting an option to disable this behavior, so the waveform display remains fixed and unaffected by gain adjustments.

This would be especially useful for DJs who rely on visual consistency for mixing and track preparation, and it would align well with workflows found in some other DJ software.

I’d love to see it considered for a future update.

Thanks for your time and for the continued development of VirtualDJ.
 
Posté Sun 01 Feb 26 @ 7:10 am
Right!!! This "feature" is awful!!!
 
BlueberryAlien wrote :
This "feature" is awful!!!


Each one to it's own. Personally I LOVE IT!
 
In his other post he said it's a gamebreaker lol.

I don't know how a waveform adjusting to show what you are doing is actually prevents you from mixing/DJing properly.
If anything it's telling you even more info about how you mix will sound.

I also wonder...are people really touching their gains that often and drastic to notice a distortable difference?
I suspect most people use VirtualDJ with autogain levels VDJ provide, or use some ReplayGain type tool to adjust their tracks directly, so they have similar levels.

Then we have the conflicting requests - for stems, people complain that the regular frequency waveform isn't showing such volume additions/subtractions (Serato shows them).

I guess you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.
Up to you guys to descide how to move forward, but I guess I don't envy you guys in this case.
 
Im asking for a way to disable it! And you would think it would help with preventing redlining but it doesnt! So you just end up with a skinny waveform thats just harder to read! Awful awful feature. I dont know how it's of any help to anyone. I use the waveform to identify drops and stuff. I use my ears to adjust the volume. Dont want skinny waveform. Just make it disableable, or adjustable even. I know some barely audible tracks have little to no waveform, we should be able to tweak them too, but since this is the fault of the track itself and not the software, less of a priority.
 
If you're redlining then the gain of your tracks is too high. Run them through mp3gain or use the VDJ inbuilt autogain. You can also use the setting zerodb to reduce the output level.
 
Not a fan of the autogain, it is inconsistent. Not the point anyway
 
I've been using the VDJ autogain for well over a decade and it's been great.
 
 
I thought Canadians were polite people..

Calling a feature that many of us love, "awful", won't take you far.

I understand people having different taste and different opinions than mine. But I don't call their taste awful..


Back to the point:
The fact that you end with a skinny waveform is the symptom of doing/understanding something wrong. Not the root cause.
As explained above, with default settings (and especially autogainsliderincludesautogain option enabled and autogain at auto) you should rarely have to touch the gain knob and it should remain for the most of the part at 12 o clock position.
If you hit the limiter even with those settings (you shouldn't, besides maybe some rough transitions) you should increase the headroom. In other words you should change (lower) the zerodb setting.
With zerodb at -3dv or even -6db all your problems should go away.
 
If your waveform is "skinny" then your gain is too low, which suggests you don't have autogain enabled (which it should be by default) or you need to increase the gain yourself manually.

If you can't hear that it's too quiet (or see it on the VU meters) then the waveform provides the visual feedback that it needs increasing.

Autogain is not a compressor. It will just compensate for the "skinny" waveforms.
 
Well I'm not saying it's objectively terrible as everyone works differently for different purposes but for my own workflow it is indeed awful!! Now we're 2 users who went on the forums who've had the same complaint with only a day in between... Since only a tiny fraction even bothers to use the forum imagine how many actual users find an issue with this feature...
 
Lol you must be new to the forums if you think nobody actually uses it. You can take a read through the many pages of each section to see why that doesn't really add up.

The only way this particular issue could actually be that terrible to anyone is if you are making very wide gain changes - which means they most likely have the VirtualDJ autogain off, and are using tracks that have widely different dynamic ranges (not saying the source of your tracks are bad, but most times I've seen the need to use the gain on digital tracks is when the recordings are mix/mastered improperly, or are of low quality).

I would speculate that the reason why there is virtually nobody reporting this as an issue is because the VirtualDJ autogain system (or using a ReplayGain tool to adjust files), largely negates the need to adjust the gain manually in the majority of the cases, and even if you had to adjust it, the adjustment should be minimal/not enough to distort the waveform beyond recognition of parts. If you need a large amount of gain, you probably need to look at your gain staging and headroom settings.

The devs and everybody on this thread have heard OPs and your cases, and most likely make a decision on it, but please don't make it seem like it's the end of the world/you can't mix with the feature, because that's clearly not the case.
 
The most important thing that seems to be missing so far to understand why it would be a good idea to add such an option is to explain your workflow.
 
i see most answers is off topic
he only asked for an option to disable it
which i do need too