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I noticed our friends the French have been publicly advocating forced aid delivery ...... I think it's the morally correct thing to do , and even do-able in the face of what i think would be weak resisitance (if any ) from the junta ...... so I applaud our French friends for that , and hope that the U.S. administration is considering it ......

I think the U.N. should invoke the obligation to protect .......
 
Posté Sun 11 May 08 @ 9:26 am
there is a low lying , river delta type region that was hit very hard by a cyclone ..... the initial wind and rain was bad , but then flooding and tornadoes really delivered a knockout blow ......

this is a very poor country , badly run by a corrupt group (junta) of generals ..... the devastation affects the main agricultural region of the country , meaning that even if the immediate problems were quickly addressed ( which isn't happening) , there will soon be a need to replace a major harvest that was wiped out by the storm ......

the in - country resources for distributing aid are not even close to adequate and the junta is insisting on distributing aid itself , with little outsiide help .... even the military has very few helicopters and zero heavy lift capacity planes and experience ......

since the junta is refusing help and people are dying as a result ...... even the U.N. is concerned that this is a situation where national sovereignty doesn't seem very important , or is getting in the way of delivering aid to innocent people .....or that the U.N. itself seems impotent and worthless

kinda reminds me of Darfur ......
 
The UN is Impotent

In the Last 15 years It should have acted, Darfur, Rwanda, Serbia, The Ivory Coast (diamond mines) the list goes on and on.

I was raised and spoonfed UN,UN,UN is school, and in the Army (CAN) but I see bleak outlook for the world in the very near future.
 
thanks Marcel ...... I was spoonfed a lotta UN too ......

maybe the French and US will do the right thing ..... i'm hoping there maybe some kinda UN/Nato response ......
 
I doubt the U.S. does anything without permission Chuck. After going in and helping deal with the last corrupt government they are still getting grief for it.
 
Teary i know yer right , yer no dummy ..... i just try to be optimistic .......
 
in Serbia the US and Nato did intervene ..... so it can sometimes happen ....
 
Actually the UN acted in both Rwanda (Canadian Peacekeepers) Serbia (Canadian Peacekeepers)

In both times the Rules Of Enguagment handcuffed the Canadian Military, Even after Being Fired upon (both Countries)
 
Prayers go out to those people over there in Myanmar. I feel so bad for them.
 
chucknorrisyouwimps wrote :
in Serbia the US and Nato did intervene ..... so it can sometimes happen ....


They intervened after years of fighting, tens of thousands dead, just as many injured and the whole regions infrastructure heavily damaged or destroyed, so it was hardly a heroic intervention, it was "too little, too late" I'm afraid.
 
TearEmUp wrote :
I doubt the U.S. does anything without permission Chuck. After going in and helping deal with the last corrupt government they are still getting grief for it.


If you are talking about Iraq, then you don't know what you're talking about, smiple as that.

The word "last" in that statement is the key word, as if they are taking out corrupt governments as they emerge, there are dozens of corrupt governments all over the world, many of them are best friends with the U.S.
 
thanks Marcel ..... the Canadians do participate in a lot of relief and peacekeeping operations . I don't understand myself , soldiers who can't shoot ??

'course , i don't understand decafeinated coffee , either .....
 
@ Bagpuss ......you're right so I won't argue with ya , although I could argue , just to stay in practice .......

what Nato did was slow coming , but it was 100% more than what any other was doing .......

if it were up to me , i would try to get the junta to allow us to make large air drops straight into the countryside where it's needed , and bypass the bottleneck at rangoon airport ......send in unarmed C130 s from Bangkok and drop to there military , since they insist on few foreigners and controlling the distribution ......
 
" then you don't know what you're talking about, smiple as that. "

that strikes me as an unnecessarily harsh choice of words ............?
 
chucknorrisyouwimps wrote :
" then you don't know what you're talking about, smiple as that. "

that strikes me as an unnecessarily harsh choice of words ............?


I stand by my words, but I wouldn't worry as I'm friends with Terry in the slightly more real world of MSN, and he understands that this is a political debate, I'm blasting his opinion on this particular subject, not him in general, he's a good guy.
 
No Bren, I was not referring to Iraq, I was referring to Samalia. The U.S. went in there with the blessings of the United Nations and suffered grief from a great deal of the world for it. But thank you so much for A.) Assuming I was talking about something you take every chance to jump on. B.) Once again taking yet another chance to point out your dislike of my countries leadership. C.) Questioning my feelings on an issue as being hard right and anti-humanitarian. I will give you one thing Bren, you are very reliable when it comes to these things.
 

A) It's the biggest crime since WW2 in my book, I know you don't like that but I'm certainly not alone in believing this, although perhaps within the confines of a "DJ forum".

B) Well they aren't exactly practicing what they preach are they?

C) Your posts haven't indicated the opposite to me, all we have here are words.
 
As I stated in another thread, my views have changed as I age. I would imagine yours will too. But Actually I am middle of the road in most voting issues. I feel it is my right and or privilege to point out a differing point of view to the ones you repeat, especially since you do not live here ans seem to relish in voicing your dislike of my home. (Which truth be told is quite rude) If one day you wish to know my feelings on why the U.S. is in Iraq ask and I'll be more than happy to tell you. Until then please do not assume every post I generate is not referring to Iraq. Also, please, do not assume my point is 100% contrary to yours. I enjoy debating both sides with different people. There is one thing too be certain, I cannot be the only person who is more than a little insulted every time you compare the actions of the United States to Nazi Germany. When was the first time, let alone the last the U.S. bombed Great Briton?
 
Unless your home is the white house, then I fail to understand what insults you.

The relevance of criticising the U.S leadership over the leadership of other questionable governments such as Israel, Saudi Arabia, China etc, is that the U.S government carries out its actions all over the world, it affects more people than it does not, so therefore every man, woman and child the world over has an opinion of the U.S foreign policy, nobody is angry about Elvis Presley, Hamburgers, the statue of liberty, or even the current comedian president.

People are angry because of the very real affect that they feel from this government, I don't like it and you don't like it, but we both have different ways dealing with it, mainly due to perspective, and that's why I like to imagine myself in the shoes of others, it allows a better understanding of peoples situations.

Your last statement masked behind a question is not important, the question is "When was the last time the U.S bombed anyone", this brings us back to perspective, and the belief that the blood of mine or my neighbours, is no more important than the blood of those in a different country, with a different skin colour, who speaks a different language or who has a different name for who we call God.

My problem is with the war mongers, and those who support them. I don't have a problem with peaceful people. Nations, religions, skin colours etc all form the spice of life, they are what make it interesting, the world would be a boring place without America, I just beg for less fireworks.
 
Bagpuss wrote :
I just beg for less fireworks.


See, Bren that is part of the problem, the way you phrase things brings about fireworks.....If you truly tried to see things from my perspective perhaps you would not always jump to the conclusion I am referring to Iraq when I make a statement. Or, is that an un-fair statement on my part?

In response to your first question, for decades after WWII there were a great many Germans who were dealing with issues about their government acting in a way they were not proud of. Here is a MAJOR difference. The U.S. is not trying too eradicate and entire race of people. The Nazi's were! If the U.S. were trying to eradicate an entire race why would they start overseas? Its sad actually in 1939 all of Europe, especially England, was begging for the United States help in dealing with Germany. Now, a citizen of that very same country is doing nothing but making negative statements about the U.S. About my home.....so to the way I was raised and to my thinking, that is a huge double standard and rude.
 
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