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I WANNA GET SOME TURNTABLES BUT I WANT DIGITAL TURNTABLES...CAN SOME ONE HELP ME...WHICH TURNTABLES ARE BETTER ...AND AFFORTABLE..I DONT WANT TO SPEND ALOT BUT I WANT SOME THAT ARE GONNA WORK GOOD WITH VDJ...
 
Posté Tue 22 Jul 08 @ 11:52 am
Dude, enough with the caps lock already... :-)
 
How much do you have to spend, so we have an idea? When you use all capital letters, it means that you are yelling. This has been pointed out to you before, so let's see if we can make that adjustment. Or, maybe you like to yell?
 
When you say digital turntables, do you mean CD players that can scratch like a turntable, or "old school" turntables that have digital audio connection and don't require a ground?

I'd also like to suggest that you don't go cheap when you buy these items. When I first started DJing, I didn't know much about equipment. All I did was look at price tags. I started out with vinyl and bought two cheap Numark turntables (prior to the TTX 1 era). 3 months later I realized what junk they were and ended up buying a pair of Technic 1200's. I've been trying to sell the Numarks ever since. That was almost 10 years ago. Actually ended up giving one of them away last month. In the long run, it's worth it to save a little longer to get the good stuff. Just some friendly advice :-)
 
THANX MAN CAUSE IVE BEEN THINKIN OF GETTING SOME PIONEERS THE MK2....800 I THINK....THEIR ABOUT 700 EACH. BUT I GUESS THEY WILL B WORTH IT...I SEEN A BUCH OF GUYS USE THEESE ON YOU TUBE.... BY THE WAY ....I NEVER KNEW U HAD RULES UP IN HERE....DAMN AND CAPS DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING AT ALL....AM NOT YELLING! BY THE WAY MY CAPS ARE BROKEN SO PEOPLE DEAL WITH IT.......MAN I EVEN WRITE IN ALL CAPS WEN I USE A PEN OR PENCIL. IT DOENST MEAN NOTHING. GOD! I NEVER KNEW U GUYS WERE SENSITIVE! LOL ANYWAYS....THANX TO HITOWER!
 
The Pioneer players are very solid. I have a couple CDJ-1000's. The CDJ-800's are good too. A big difference between the two is the 1000's have 3 hot cue's and the 800's don't. Also, the 1000's have removable sd cards for storing cue points and data. The 1000's also have more control over adjusting the sensitivity of the jog wheel. It's just a matter of if you need the extras the 1000 offers. Try going to a store and testing each player to see which one fits you best.
 
I must say the pioneers cd players are rugged,but I have a pair of denon s5000 and if you really want to get the feel of old school(turntables), I think you should try the denon.The s5000 is belt drive but the 3500 series are direct drive.The beauty is that if you are coming from turntable days you just transfer your skill on the denons, and numark also has a cd player that looks and feel just like a turntable.Now for ease of use,I will give it to the pioneer.It all boil down to what you like and prefer to work with.I personally prefer the technics 1200 and I use mine a lot except for boat rides party I just use my denon cd players.
 
-->> TECHNICS Turntables baby!! Technics 1200s, I have a pair - and they will outlast a NUQULER HOLOCAUST!!! They are heavy, industrial strength in life and performance, and just generally "bad-assed"!!!! Mine are more than 20 years old, one was bought used, and they both still work like new. Good luck with your search!
 
if i owned cd turntables i wouldn't feel complete. i'd just feel like a dude TRYING to dj. im the same dude who says it doesnt matter what anyone uses.. but personally i need them techs man lol. and i own the legendary mkII. i feel complete. when i look at them babies and i get a smile from ear to ear. even if i owned the pioneer 1000 mk infinity i wouldnt feel complete.
the techs 1200s in my opinion is the greatest piece of electronic ever made. sh111t that muufucka is a music instrument.
and until im playing with real real vinyl i wont feel complete. time code vinyl is cute but its just not the real thing...
 

I would go with Technics any day of the week. I've got a pair of 1210's mk2, had them for about 11 years now, and they are still perfect.

But it you can't afford them, then look at the numark range of Turntables, well worth the money.
 
well if you can afford cd turntables you can afford 1200s.. for example i bought mine on ebay 3months ago.. i paid 159. a piece plus shipping 24.00 each... then copped some m44-7's for 130 on heads...i got lucky but if you look right you can get a deal like that to.. look at these prices..

http://cgi.ebay.com/Technics-SL-1200MK2-Direct-Drive-Turntable-SL-1200-MK2_W0QQitemZ110274079244QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item110274079244&_trkparms=72%3A635|39%3A1|66%3A4|65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1318


http://cgi.ebay.com/Technics-SL-1200MK2-Sl-1200mkII-SL-1200-Turntable_W0QQitemZ130241702130QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item130241702130&_trkparms=72%3A635|39%3A1|66%3A4|65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1318


also remember every effect on your cd players becomes null.. except loop and hot cues .. i bought turntables mixer carts and case for the price of two cdjs or denon... i would suggest get a controller rmx maybe... but if your going to DEEJAY 1200s baby
 
It's funny to hear vinyl DJ's diss CD DJ's in a computer dj software forum. To me, it's not the vinyl or CD that makes the DJ, it's the skills. If you can rock a crowd with a CD, you're a good DJ. If you can't rock a crowd with vinyl, you're not doing your job. Of course, this goes both ways. Even Grandmaster Flash doesn't diss CD DJ's. Says he loves the technology, but prefers to keep his fingers on wax. So if the hall of famer doesn't diss CD jocks, I find it interesting when others do. To each their own, though. After I bought my first pair of junk turntables, I quickly upgraded to the 1200's then moved to the CDJ's. I can spin with both, but prefer the CDJ's. They're easier to see in the dark, and you don't have to spend the time marking vinyl because of the cue ability. Just my preference. If you're still carrying crates and staying true to the 1st element, respect. If you tell me I'm not staying true to the 1st element and you're carrying 2 records and a computer... I'm not so sure I can hear that argument.

Anyway, some of the statements in the previous posts are true. You can get a pair of 1200's cheaper than a pair of top of the line CD turntables. It's just a matter of what you prefer. Cuz the bottom line is, the people at the party don't care if it's vinyl or CD's. They just want to have fun.
 
all my life i've been broke. lol. i learned to dj with friends equipment. but i was always better than them in using their own equipment. i started djing with tape decks... and i did a good job. then hooked up with a dude who used technics. during parties the dude would be jealous coz i'd rock the party better than him... and would even play a mixed cd just so that i couldnt get my shine (wtf.. and we had 1200s to use).. so i said fuck it and moved on to pc djing. and moved to pcdj in 2000. i was computer djing before most djs... and i was good at using pcdj blue. red wasnt even around then. then red came and i was even better. back then i was doing amazing things with instrumentals and acappellas.. but the "real" heads would always knock me saying i "wasn't real"... even tho i'd rock parties "i felt" i just wasn't there.
and that laptop djing came real handy. i'd get gigs just coz i have my laptop at the right place at the right time. plug it in and rock parties. make money when i didnt expect it..

what is a dj if he can't scratch?!:
with pcdj red u couldnt scratch.. and red felt very linear. the way the songs are arranged by bpms.
come vdj. vdj is like red on drugs. vdj is a very powerful program. this program just blows my mind sometimes. the problem with vdj is it not coming with its own sound box like competitors do. djs dont have "real" computer backgrounds to know how to troubleshoot a pc when something goes wrong.. if a dj has a medium to strong computer background a vdj machine wouldnt be a problem to troubleshoot. infact a weak pc 1.6Ghz 256+128MB memory can run the program perfect. those recommendations the company has is just to get djs with weak pcs to stop whining and tell em to upgrade.. video is not necessary. infact they couldv made 2 programs out of vdj. u can mouse scratch with vdj. and those scratches could sound pretty realistic..

but you'd think after all these years turntables should be outdated. but infact its the pc dj industry that had to move toward timecode technology "to get approval from the vinyl heads". technics never really changed. but i have to give props to pioneer for making technics make that technics cd turntable.. the pioneer 1000s weren't going anywhere and became the standard and lucky for technics and vinyl turntables time code technology came thru.

vinyl emulation:
timecode can pretty much do 98% of what a real vinyl can do. TCV CAN DO MORE THAN WHAT VINYL CAN DO BUT IT CANT DO EVERYTHING A REAL VINYL CAN DO. thats as far as scratch is concerned. thats because the stylus is like a microphone as opposed to how tcv technology works. there's gonna have to be another major breakthru tcv has to make.. maybe make their own stylus or own turntable.. ?!

vinyl will never die t-shirts:
its no secret the mp3 has taken over. and when i was computer djing my vinyl friend told me vinyl will never die. and i told him vinyl pretty much isnt even being manufactured anymore.. when i was pcdjing i had a gleeful attitude seeing computer djing putting vinyl under pressure..
i thought let me get my own tables to see why these dudes just wont let go of vinyl. and after putting hands on my own technics i now see why..
its just too bad that vinyl is dying. it feels real different when playing thru TECHNICS tables. well for me. i go to clubs see computer djs do their thing... be they just keyboard and mouse djs or midi, or cdcodes or tcv.. but its just something thats still missing. me personally when i go out i shoot my eyes thru the dj equipment to see how much i'd be having that night... most computer djs just have no clue. the cdcodes-tcv dudes can come real hard with it.. but if i dont see that 1200 mkII im sorry there'r just not gettin respect from me. i mean if a dude has owned them and "upgraded" then yeah i can respect that.. but these dudes who just buy a pc and get limewire or Promo Only cds will never get respect from me..
and then there's some dudes who are just too geeky to be djs. haha. i know sometimes i could pass as a geek myself.. but there's something about collecting vinyl that makes u understand music from a different point of view..
if a dj has collected vinyl but changed his ways coz carrying vinyl got too much for him he is excused. there's a noticeable btwn a dj who learned to dj with vinyl and one who didn't. kinda just like a difference btwn someone who went to college and someone who didn't.


props to what those dudes in pioneer and denon are doing but in my opinion if u a dj that respects hiphop, the dj industry and music industry u get the techs.. period. and vinyl.
 
OK OK i see wat u guys are saying....but now say i do get the 1200 right...how do i connect them to my laptop...wat do i need??? how do i do to scratch mp3 files...... I also have a Hercules rmx console which i use as a mixer and audio interface......now can i just connect the 1200's to the rmx? and use that as a audio interface????? has anyone done this??
 
First off, this is a great discussion. Vinyl vs. CD vs. digital audio. The ultimate main event, lol! Ghettotech hit on a very good point. Music knowledge. For a lot of old school cats, it comes from digging in the the crates. That's where I learned a lot. When I moved from wax to CD / digital, I didn't let go of the roots, which is knowing all the music. Instead of physically going to the record store, I use online record pools like SURE and Worksessions. I get all the same music I would look for at the record store without the hassle of driving into downtown Philly and waiting for my turn on the tables to preview tracks in the store. Looking at it from a business perspective, it's a helluva lot cheaper to use the online record pools, too. Yeah, my vinyl collection stopped growing about 5 years ago, but I still have all the music. Instead of being in my bookshelves in the garage, it's on a hard drive or a CD case. I don't care what equipment a DJ is using as long has he's doing his job... rockin' the house. I will admit that watching a digital DJ "click" through an event isn't very entertaining to watch. But who else is watching him besides other DJ's? Most people are just dancing, drinking, and trying to get laid.

As for Wally1's questions... Assuming you're using a PC (I'm a Mac user, so others may be able to expand on this), as long as you have a 4 in / 4 out sound card you'll be able to use timecode with a turntable or a digital turntable. You can scratch MP3's. You do it the same way you would with normal vinyl or CD's. You just have to use the timecode versions of each. The Hercules RMX is capable of doing this. Like you figured, you just connect the players to the RMX and you can use that as your mixer. There are a lot of different ways to set it up, though.
 
Dj waLLy1 wrote :
....but now say i do get the 1200 right...how do i connect them to my laptop...wat do i need??? how do i do to scratch mp3 files...... I also have a Hercules rmx console which i use as a mixer and audio interface......now can i just connect the 1200's to the rmx? and use that as a audio interface????? has anyone done this??


You could use your RMX as a soundcard and mixer (but if you scatch it might be no good, due to Latency reasons with the RMX)

Anyway connect one deck to Input 1&2 and the other deck to Input 3&4 (both via RCA cables) connect the earth cables to the earth posts on the RMX, set up VirtualDJ for Dual timecodes and there you have it, quite simple really.

 
hello everybody
i have sum questions about the connecting of my technics sl1210 mk2 turntables with the red and white rca chinch to my laptop witch only has a mic in and phones out..shud i buy a pre-amp or sumting in the way..can i use sume software mixer or does sampling only work with an external mixer (maybe more practic)..
thanx for the help
marc
 
ILLectronic wrote :
hello everybody
i have sum questions about the connecting of my technics sl1210 mk2 turntables with the red and white rca chinch to my laptop witch only has a mic in and phones out..shud i buy a pre-amp or sumting in the way..can i use sume software mixer or does sampling only work with an external mixer (maybe more practic)..
thanx for the help
marc


You need an ASIO soundcard with four inputs and outputs. Then you will be able to connect your turntables to your PC and control VDJ.
 
how is the latenz of the asio card? and is it an external card?
 
Latency depends on the quality of card you purchase ASIO is not a brand, its a type of card.
 


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