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I came across this ad posted on Craigslist tonight.

I used to work at this club in 2003. It was a straight club then and I did a house/techno night and an 80's/90's night. We did over 200 people a night back then...and made $300 per night.....boy have times changed (for the worse unfortunatley).

"The Underground, Colorado Springs premier gay nightclub, is looking for a part-time DJ for every Saturday night from 9:30 pm til 2 am and pays a flat fee of $60 per night, with the possibility of spinning special events when needed. We are looking for someone who owns a substantial catalog and is well-versed in pop, RnB, some hip-hop (think party hip-hop) and dance remixes. If you have the music, we'll train you on our system (we provide cd players, turntables and a mixer), even if you've never Dj'd before. A qualified candidate will also be a self-promoter among our target demographic through social networking sites, email and flyering (we provide flyers) and also an energetic fun person who brings a party atmosphere to the dance floor. All applicants must be able to carry 50 pounds up and down stairs. An unpaid audition is required for all applicants on an upcoming Tuesday or Wednesday night after 10 pm. Please respond by email (no phone calls please) with a letter of interest and any relevant experience and we'll schedule an audition."

Hell to want all that for only $60 a night ...on Saturday no less...I'm suprised they don't want you to bartend and take out the trash also (unless that's why you need to carry 50lbs up and down stairs).

To all club owners........don't be "that guy". Please respect what we do, the money we make you and the time energy and talent it takes to do what we do as professionals.
 
Posté Thu 06 Aug 09 @ 9:24 am
memo to us - find ad on craigs list and post what we think of "$60 a night".
 
wildcountryclub wrote :
memo to us - find ad on craigs list and post what we think of "$60 a night".


Craigslist, Colorado, Colorado Springs, search for "Dj", can't remember if it was under "all gigs" or "all jobs".
 
get a link and we'll inundate him with suitable applications... lol
 
but, how much do you wanna bet they will have multiple choices for this position?.
wait.. that doesnt sound right for some reason..

How much do you wanna bet they will have a line up of young guys begging to be let in?
damn.. that still sounds weird..
 
 
This is what I sent him....


Wow, $60 a night! How cheap can a club owner/manager get these days! You must not really care for your clientele! Any self-respecting DJ will just laugh at your offer. Even noob DJs should be paid more, after all if he’s any good he’ll make you 10,000 percent or more depending on your club and you are only willing to give the poor guy 1% of that!? You’re a pretty weak manager and your club will soon evidence that if it hasn’t already.

Bottom-line, you’ll get what you deserve. Not much at all!

DJ RuDe – L.A.SoCal

PS: The internet is a wonderful thing isn’t it?!

http://cosprings.craigslist.org/etc/1306214055.html
 
This is my favorite part.....

dj-e-lectric wrote :
We are looking for someone who owns a substantial catalog


I think we should all send him our favorite catalog....as I recall the Sears Christmas Toy catalog was always pretty substantial!
 
damn can't get through to it, like 'lectric i was gonna send him an argos catalogue, be like rude, keep the tight ar$e (am i allowed to say that as it's a gay bar) busy with your applications, lol
 
If you thought only getting 60 bucks was bad... What about the owner telling you to give out flyers on top of that.. You must be on crack if your apply for this DJ gig
 
hmm
 
I used to spin a Wednesday "Ladies Night" and when I took over from the previous DJ (who was so-so) the night went from somewhat busy to having a line up around the corner all night. To make a long story short, the bar was losing money on the weekends because there were too many new places in the neighborhood taking away their weekend business, but the Wednesday night was always their consistently busy night. So to cut corners they cut my pay from $150.00 to $125.00. So needless to say I was pissed. Granted $150.00 a night wasn't exactly what I would consider a high paying gig, but not bad for a weekday. The bar was probably making $10,000 in liquor sales every Wednesday, but somehow they felt that extra $25.00 less they were paying me was somehow going to help their bottom line (???). If anything they should have raised my pay. I ended up quitting just on principal (even though it was tough to give up a steady Wednesday night gig).

And don't even get me started on how many bars and clubs will spend boatloads of money on everything but the sound system and DJ equipment.
 
Hmmm........ I'm currently in negotiations with the owner of one of my nightclub residencies.

Basically, he has just got an extension to his license extending it by an hour and wants me to work the extra hour for free! Yeh......rrrriiiiiiggghhhhttt.........like that is gonna happen! Told him how much I was going to charge and he said it was too much blaming the credit crunch blah blah blah. Said we are ONLY getting 400 in now compared to 600 a few months ago (@ £5 entry)! My night has been the busiest for 3 years, his other nights are getting less than half that number.

Said he would think about it and will text me with his reply, found out on Monday that he was flying to China yesterday! Hope he can get a mobile phone signal out there. If he doesn't text me then I will send him a text on Saturday setting out my prices til 3.00 and 3.30am and ask what time he wants me to finish. If he doesn't want to pay me any extra then I will tell him to find a DJ for the last hour. Plus he owes me for half an hour extra for last Saturday night. I may have to tell him to find another DJ for Saturday night if it doesn't work out. He may call my bluff, however...........

........this is not a bluff, as, my other residency asked me last Sunday if they can poach me away for the same money as I'm currently getting til 2.30am but finishing at 2.00am instead. I'm not too keen as I'm self-employed and prefer not "to put all my eggs in one basket", plus it means moving to a smaller venue with half the number, but, I'll take it, if necessary. The other DJ got slated on Facebook by customers last Sunday for the crap music he was playing and the Manageress had to yell at him 3 times during the night because he was not playing what the club wanted. Ripe for being took over, I already took his Friday nights off him two and a half years ago, he has other work at the owners other bars though.

So..............

http://www.deejayles.com/

P.S. I have total control over the clubs Facebook account. There are over 750 peeps on there......... I'm starting to think evil thoughts :-) ........... or at least, if I go, I can tell everyone where I've gone and why :-)
 
i'll bet u have some dj's that will pay him $60.00 a nite to play at this joint. this guy is full of himself (AND GAY)..:D
 
Isn't it funny that overtime pay is acceptable for every other profession on the planet, except DJ'ing.
 
dizzyrocks2001 wrote :
Isn't it funny that overtime pay is acceptable for every other profession on the planet, except DJ'ing.


That's because so many want to be a DJ, kind of like everyone one wishes they could be a celebrity, rock star or movie star and because others don't look at it as a profession. Many people in this world still don't take art seriously, they either think it's sinful or they think it's fun and games and that there is no work involved in it, "how hard can it be?" This is the mentality that many have of it. My wife still hates my love of DJing. She comes from a tight knit religious family, even though she's not religious herself I think part of the reason she doesn't like me DJing is because of the way she was raised. Art is not a job, it's the devil's work or it's just a way to party and call it "work".

I don't know about you but to me? DJing is an art form. Just like any other form of art it is a talent that you either have or never will have. I think of it as making music. We change what is already out there and make it our rendition, like a chef we add our spices, garnishes and saute it with the talent you can only be born with. I am also a musician, I play sax, piano and other woodwind and keyboard instruments. If you have a specific talent, you are born with it.

When you are receiving lessons you may think you are learning to play that instrument but you already have the what it takes to play, all you are learning is how to pour out your heart and soul by blowing into a horn and fingering the right keys to make the sound coming out of it the sound of your deepest innermost feelings, that melodious sound is your way of conveying what words can't, it is the sound of your truest emotions. That is something you are born with and can't be taught, DJing is the same. There are enthusiasts and then there are artists, a true DJ is an artist and deserves to be paid for his talent like other artists.



DJ RuDe
 
dizzyrocks2001 wrote :
Isn't it funny that overtime pay is acceptable for every other profession on the planet, except DJ'ing.


Yup, I wanna know;

do the customers go to a specific club because the Doorstaff are nice and polite, don't think so

do the customers go to a specific club because the Barstaff are quick and efficient and polite, don't think so

so, why do they go to a specific club?

maybe it's to be entertained with good music, well programmed and presented professionally

so, why happily pay the Barstaff and Doorstaff the extra wages but grumble about paying the entertainer any extra???

Can't understand that one......
 
To add on MANY times the bar staff fails to realize that if the DJ sucked then that equals to hardly no customers which equals to NO tips. There are many out there that don't even bother to say thanks or anything and take the DJ for granted. They think that the reason why customers show up to the club is because of them . . hmmm!
 
DJRudeDoGG wrote :
This is what I sent him....


Wow, $60 a night! How cheap can a club owner/manager get these days! You must not really care for your clientele! Any self-respecting DJ will just laugh at your offer. Even noob DJs should be paid more, after all if he’s any good he’ll make you 10,000 percent or more depending on your club and you are only willing to give the poor guy 1% of that!? You’re a pretty weak manager and your club will soon evidence that if it hasn’t already.

Bottom-line, you’ll get what you deserve. Not much at all!

DJ RuDe – L.A.SoCal

PS: The internet is a wonderful thing isn’t it?!

http://cosprings.craigslist.org/etc/1306214055.html



I was waiting for this, and it actually came...a response from the club owner. His rebuttal is below....

"What did we get tagged by the angry DJ club? Seriously, we are willing to pay a lot more, our Friday DJ gets taken care of because he brings the party. Our Saturday DJ's have sucked and we've paid them well. How often, if you owned a club, would you pay someone $400 when they bring no one, they don't play what people want to hear, they don't advertise or work the sites, they basically believe they're so good they deserve that much?

Yeah, we're lowballing, simply because we're willing to train someone (it's just that hard of a job) and we provide all the equipment, and honestly, we don't want someone with an opinion, because after three years, those opinions have sucked and been wrong. Now maybe that's Colorado Springs, maybe DJ's here can't get past their ego and actually play for customers, but either way, we've wasted way too much money on shitty DJ's who asked way too much money for little to no value. What would you do if you owned a club?"

Bryan





LOL!!


DJ RuDe
 
DJRudeDoGG wrote :
What would you do if you owned a club?"

Bryan



I would do the right thing, pay a reasonable wage for the POSITION of DJ (whatever the going rate is in your town) and then pay them on a commission for being BETTER than the going rate. You didn't know how good your manager, bartender, server or plumber were before you hired them but you paid them the pervailing wage for your area. If they were good they were retained to get their fair wage again and made their bonus, tips, etc. If they were bad you hired a new one.

Djing is a job that is also a sales position and should be treated as such. In my opinion the Dj's job is not to BRING people, but RETAIN and BRING BACK people. The Promoter, marketing agent, radio stations, etc. who does you advertising (who is usually paid on a percentage, commission if you will, of door and/or bar) is responsible for BRINGING the people. A good DJ will retain and bring them back...an excellent Dj will retain, bring back AND create a buzz about the place that makes your promotion and marketing job easier.....and they should be appropriately compensated for that.

Don't punish me with your lowball wages because you didn't know how to pick a good Dj in the past!
 
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