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Hi guys

I have not been on here for sometime and to tell the truth had kinda given up all hope of using VDJ with my Pioneer MEP7000. I was almost ready to go out and buy another controller but thought i would give this latest update a go.

When im using the MEP with a harddrive plugged in and also the laptop with VDJ running and linked to the MEP i go to select a track on the harddrive and load it at the same time a new track loads on VDJ as well!
Scroll through my playlist on the harddrive and at the same time the same effect takes place on VDJ.

Is there anyway of controlling only one thing at a time?

I hope someone can help me out here.

cheers

Iain
 
Posté Sun 21 Mar 10 @ 2:46 pm
I don't own a MEP7000, but it sounds as though it's still sending MIDI even when it's not in PC controlling mode. Only the manufacturer would be able to correct this (Might be worth checking the manufacturer's website to see if there is a firmware update and/or contact them regarding this problem.)
 
Hi jpboggis

that is exactly what its doing. I might copy a link for this into the pioneer section on here and see if Pulse knows anything about this.

thanks

Iain
 

MEP7000 has a switch to select use PC or not, if you disconnect it from VirtualDJ while it's playing and if you are using MEP-7000 as a soundcard, you will loose audio and VirtualDJ will stop.

If you want to use MEP7000 as controller and as individual cd-player, then you need another soundcard in your setup and also just left MEP-7000 in VirtualDJ as a controller.

If MEP-7000 can't switch you to PC/CD Mode, you can go to VirtualDJ Config Mappers and unselect USE HID Devices and also disable USE MIDI Devices. Doing that will ignore MEP-7000 even if it connected.

If you want to use MEP-7000 as a controller again, just go back and select Use HID Devices and/or MIDI Devices.

That's It, it could work that way, but you need another soundcard to operate with VirtualDJ to could do that. I recommend you better to use always MEP-7000 soundcard, and avoid using as CD-PLayer while playing with VirtualDJ, because MEP-7000 sound card sounds pretty good than many other sound cards in the market.
 
I'm sure I read about this somewhere ...... maybe on the Pioneer ProDJ forum. Seems it is a limitation of the unit rather than VDJ.

Ahhhh. ..... I did ...... and it looks like you already got the answer from DJ Pulse at Pioneer. It's not possible. Nothing to do with VDJ.

http://forums.pioneerdj.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/811103214/m/780108835

You could always just use the controller part SEP-C1 with a seperate sound card or just not play CD's while using VDJ.

Cheers - Keith
 
hi guys

some good points here. i am already using another 8 channel sound card which is built into my OODJ laptop. i find the soundcard not bad in the MEP but not great at the same time.
Its kinda daft that you are controlling VDJ at the same time as you are playing about with a cd or harddrive loaded in the mep. by pressing the USB/cd button should stop signals going to the mep and leave it set at the same place from your last visit.
Oh well i supose i will just need to live with it.

cheers for the input guys

Iain
 
iainaalpine wrote :
Its kinda daft that you are controlling VDJ at the same time as you are playing about with a cd or harddrive loaded in the mep


I agree, and it's one of the reasons I went for the DN-HC4500 in the end.

It's just bad design by Pioneer, surely they must have known it would be used as a controller and CD player at the same time?

Or was it the fact they also have the controller as a seperate unit?, but with no sound card built in it's kinda useless. There haven't been many updates in the firmware of the MEP, I get the feeling it's not being developed any more and basic things like this should really have been fixed.

Keith
 
Keith im with you mate. i dont think pioneer are bothering there ass about taking the MEP forward with updates.
Its a shame because it is a good unit that should be up there with the best but is let down by the not so forward thinking engineers at pioneer.
this really pisses me off if the truth be told as i have invested in 8 of these units!!!

maybe time for a change to Denon.

God knows what to do now.

Iain
 
My guess is that the MEP-7000 is not selling well. Given the price in the UK (Even just the SEP-C1 is £200 more expensive than the Denon HC-4500) I just don't think it's worth the money. As gorgeous as the MEP looks I still think the DN-HC4500 is miles more practical for using with VDJ, in fact since the changes to V6 mapping I can make it do exactly what I want and it's simply excellent. I've used the HC-4500 in the club for 2 years and it's been faultless.

The MEP really is a niche product (first a media player then controller) and since the announcement of the CDJ900 / 2000 and the DJM2000 I guess all the development focus has been moved away on to them. There is sooo much more they could have done with it but I just can't help thinking it was a half assed project that got left to rot. Shame.
 
Did you already tried what I post? Did not work?

This can work, I check it with a MEP-7000. I don't use it for CD playing, but it can be done doing what I said. Just go to VirtualDJ CONFIG MAPPERS and uncheck USE HID DEVICES and/or USE MIDI DEVICES, that's it, VirtualDJ don't use MEP-7000 as a controller anymore and of course I already told that you may need another sound card to free audio outputs of MEP-7000. You can disconnect USB if it still don't let you use it as a CD-Player. If VirtualDJ use another soundcard for audio output, then this could work.

I use HC-4500 too, and for me the sound is better in MEP-7000 than is in HC-4500. I think Pioneer would fix this unit, because is a good choice for Pionner users who want dual deck shape control.

Anyway too bad the unit could not free sound card outputs to play regular CDs... you can using CDJ-2000 :-p
 
Actually, the MEP is selling quite well!

The MEP does indeed send MIDI signal while it's not in PC mode, why, I don't know, maybe for people who are using it as more than an audio controller (you could connect it through a MIDI-to-DMX software to also control the lighting show while you are DJing audio).
 
I found a usable work around to help band aid the issue. In VDJ Mappers set the following:
KEY ACTION

TRACK nothing
TRACK_DOWN nothing

This disables the Rotary Selector Dial from controlling VDJ. You will have to load your tracks from the PC, but at least when you control another source (i.e. Disc 1/2 USB 1/2 Playlists) it isn't picking and loading random tracks in VDJ behind the scenes. Play/Pause and everything else is still controlling simultaneously but it seems to be more manageable.

I am also working on a Controller Definition for the MEP-7000. I am still ramping up on the protocol, but I noticed in a HIDtrace that when the PC button is engaged on the MEP-7000 it sends data.

When PC button is engaged it sends:
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 00 00 00 00
00 00 98 07 00 00 00 00 E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

When PC button is not engaged it sends:
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 00 00 00 00
00 00 98 07 00 00 00 00 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

So as far as I can tell as soon as we can define the PC button, then it will be easy to re-map based when the PC button is engaged.

If there is someone that is familiar on writing HID Controller Definitions and is willing to work on this with me let me know. In the meantime I will continue to try to get this to work.

Thanks
 
 
Yes, I am using VDJ 6.0.7 and yes everything does work fine.
The issue that myself and others are running into is that the MEP-7000 controls VDJ Fulltime. Some of us would like it to only control VDJ when PC is selected on the MEP-7000. When you are controlling Disc 1/2, USB 1/2, or Playlists, we would like it to not control VDJ in the simultaneously. As I said before I was able to trace the MEP-7000 and see that it sends a unique RAW string to the computer when PC is selected on the MEP-7000. When you select Disc 1/2, USB 1/2, or Playlists, is has a different RAW string. Currently the PC button is not defined natively in VDJ, once it is defined with a HID Controller Definition (I am still leaning how to do this) then we will be able to map the PC button on the MEP-7000. Once we can map the PC button we can then re-map all of the other buttons (or which ever buttons you would like) to work only when the PC button is engaged. Other folks that are not finding this to be a problem can still use the native mappings as they are now.

Thanks
 
jvitti
looks like you are making some headway with this. I am dumb when it comes to looking at mappers etc but wish i could help you out as this would be great to get fixed.
Maybe someone like Pulse etc will come along as this is what there good at and i think it really would help out a lot of people and even generate more sales for VDJ having this sorted out.
If there is anyting you want me to trial let me no but there will need to be step by step guids for a dumb ass like me!!

thanks for your interest in this.

Iain
 
jvitti wrote :
I am also working on a Controller Definition for the MEP-7000. I am still ramping up on the protocol, but I noticed in a HIDtrace that when the PC button is engaged on the MEP-7000 it sends data.


There is already an OFFICIAL Definition file and mapping for the MEP-7000.

We are aware of the issue and we have researched extensively the problem. We have also been talking with Pioneer engineers about a firmware update - but it is taking time and finding priority to make it happen with in Pioneer's current development priorities.

As of right now there is not a 'simple' fix and re-building a definition or a mapping will not resolve the issue.

When we resolve the issue it will be instructions and files will be made available to the VirtualDJ user community.
 
IN NEW VDJ 7 THERE IS NO SET UP UNSELECT HID OR MIDI. SO WHERE DO YOU SEE THIS SET UP.
BECAUSE EVERYTIME I PLAY CD VDJ 7 PLAY TO YOU CANT SEPERATE DONT KNOW WHY HOW WE CAN SEPERATE THIS CD AND VDJ7.
 
You can unselect HID or MIDI in VDJ7. Go to the mappers tab in config, click the little button next to the controller dropdown and you'll see the options there.

As for the problem you're having, as per above posts it appears it is the fault of the MEP sending commands to VDJ still whilst it's in CD mode.
 


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