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Posté Mon 27 Sep 10 @ 6:56 pm
This is exactly the type of feature I suggested be implemented with the Numark CDX like 4 years ago. It only took someone this long to figure it out??? Oh well, timecode is dead to me know anyways, midi is the way of the future. Needles and tonearms will be a distant memory 10 years from now anyways.
 
dizzyrocks2001 wrote :
Needles and tonearms will be a distant memory 10 years from now anyways.


NEVER, lol!! But those decks do look great and I bet that price tag will be as well.

Huey
 
I see its pumping the fact the HYBRID MODE is with STRATCH LIVE but does this mode work for VDJ also to get the best service or do you just run the basic MIDI?

Does anyone know?
 
Am I wrong but aint this been working in VDJ for some time now?
 


works with vdj too of course ;)

Reason Denon did this is cause their jogs where midi, not hid.. and thats not fast enough or accurate enough for fast scratching.
With built in timecode its solved :)
 
dj-in-norway wrote :


works with vdj too of course ;)

Reason Denon did this is cause their jogs where midi, not hid.. and thats not fast enough or accurate enough for fast scratching.
With built in timecode its solved :)


So is this saying it best to use the 3700 in HYBRID mode with VDJ instead of Midi...as in Stratch Live?

 
dj-in-norway wrote :

cause their jogs where midi, not hid


work with Hybrid Mode in VDJ ;)
 
The only bad side of this news is the necessity to buy a new timecode sound card to use it in Hybrid mode.
 
cioce wrote :
The only bad side of this news is the necessity to buy a new timecode sound card to use it in Hybrid mode.


The good news is, you can use any of our 3 Mixers for DVS routing.

DN-X600
DN-X1600
DN-X1700 (soon by firmware update)

 
dj-in-norway wrote :


works with vdj too of course ;)


Yes it does.

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Reason Denon did this is cause their jogs where midi, not hid.. and thats not fast enough or accurate enough for fast scratching.
)


Well, not really.
Our goal was to provide a user solution to integrate industry leading DJ applications, such as, VDJ, Serato, Traktor, MixVibes...etc with our super S3700/S1200 hardware without waiting for native support from the app side.

Since VDJ already supports the S3700 (S1200) and spinning platter by MIDI, the Hybrid mode would be a second choice of control.


About the HID / MIDI debate...
I’ve been reading many forums and there seems to be a very big misconception and overly hyped perception that HID is a superior method to MIDI.

HID and MIDI are two different methods that allow high speed two-way communication between hardware and computer. They “both” can achieve the same excellent response and performance as required when done right. Its like a car and train moving at 60MPH in parallel, they are different but get to point B at the same time.

In the end, “how they communicate” (HID or MIDI) should not matter to you the end user, what’s important is performance and stability at plug & play and NOT that’s its HID or MIDI. Your USB keyboard and mouse are HID devices, but nobody jumps for joy over it, right?
 
A ballpark figure on price? Seems im gonna have to switch from turntables 1 I might as well start saving now, lol!

Huey
 
 
Denon DJ wrote :
About the HID / MIDI debate...
I’ve been reading many forums and there seems to be a very big misconception and overly hyped perception that HID is a superior method to MIDI.

HID and MIDI are two different methods that allow high speed two-way communication between hardware and computer. They “both” can achieve the same excellent response and performance as required when done right. Its like a car and train moving at 60MPH in parallel, they are different but get to point B at the same time.

In the end, “how they communicate” (HID or MIDI) should not matter to you the end user, what’s important is performance and stability at plug & play and NOT that’s its HID or MIDI. Your USB keyboard and mouse are HID devices, but nobody jumps for joy over it, right?


I'd like to add on this HID vs MIDI debate.
This is a subject that we at VirtualDJ have been trying to push for a long time now.
I think it's summarized well in our controller development wiki page:
http://www.virtualdj.com/wiki/HIDvsMIDI.html

To summarize this debate briefly, it says that MIDI is a very old protocol, that is definitely slower and less reliable than HID, but that HID is still not supported by all the other DJ softwares (but is by VirtualDJ obviously).

So hardware manufacturers, like Denon, have to choose between having a fast and reliable communication protocol, or having the broadest range of potential customers.
Of course I wish all our software competitors were HID compatible, so that manufacturers wouldn't have to make this decision, and could bring to the end-users products that were as reliable and fast as they should be.
But, I do understand their decision from a business point of view.


Anyway, this debate is not new, and all companies are trying to find different solutions.
We, at VirtualDJ, implemented our "controller definition files" to make HID as easy to implement and customize as MIDI.
Our friends at Serato, for example, implemented in Itch with Numark and Vestax controllers, what they call "high-speed MIDI", which means the units communicate with a computer-side driver in a HID-like protocol (fast and reliable), and the computer-side driver translate it in MIDI codes.
Stanton implemented a similar "MIDI over Firewire", using a computer-side middle software to translate their FireWire communication into MIDI codes.

Anyway, probably by the time everybody agrees on one solution, all the controllers will be wireless and the question will be obsolete ;)
 
Very informative post, thanks!

It's nice to hear from somebody who is genuinely in the know!
 
Ok after reading this I was pricing the units when I thought I'd check out the PSSL catolog. Well in there on 2 different pages they have

"DNS-3700"
or
"DN-S3700"

The products looked and seemed the same, even the price was the same but 1 had a longer description...............Are they in fact different products or is this a typo??

Thanks for the time
Huey
 
beatbreaker1, that looks like a typo on their site, there is only 1 DN-S3700

The $100 Rebate (for each deck) was extended to Oct 31 !
 
OK cool!!

Thanks for the info!!
 
 
 


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