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speedy me me ohhh pick me! pwetty pwetty pweease, my computer skill set is pretty limited, but due to pushing vdj to its limits all the time I'll find bugs in it LOL
 
Im am not sayin Im the guy who invites people to beta testing... LOL
Let Atomix teamers do the "Draft", as always.
 
Dammit! LOL
 
nitebeatdisco wrote :
So how about some of these promised details ..... quoting Atomics well known release policy does not cut it.


Hey Dave ....

How long you been around ???

How many versions have you seen ???

How many times have you made the same statement about "ready when its ready" in the past ???

How many times have you ever seen any details - stated or otherwise - before the actual release ???

... you have been around long enough to know all those answers. Surprising a veteran like yourself would even make such a comment, but I guess sometimes in anticipation we simply forget the past and only look forward to the future.
 
Sorry I don't want to ruffle any feathers here and I realize as in dj'ing and "life" building expectation is part of the deal.
It builds excitement, but timing is important, mistimed its a tease that often leads to frustration and disappointment.

Despite Atomix stated policy regarding new versions which we all know very well and have no problem with and support,
an official statement was however made about the development of Version 8, which clearly stated...
"More details about the new VirtualDJ 8 will be available soon"
And I acknowledge "more details" and "soon" are vague and open to interpretation.

Given Atomix long standing policy of not disclosing dates or features of new releases it is indeed surprising Atomix would even make such a Statement, but I guess sometimes in anticipation we simply momentarily forget past practices and only look forward to the future!!!

IMHO there does seem to be some middle ground here, while not releasing expected release dates of planned features,
maybe some thoughts about the design philosophy in this build, perhaps an indication of the development phase ie code still being developed or going thru initial beta testing or been thru beta and rewriting code because of unexpected issues.
would perhaps give us more details without promising features or release dates.

Cheers :)
 
bagpuss wrote :


Hopefully it will be a charged update geared towards professionals, if it's a complete software rewrite with a bunch of new features I see no reason why the "professional" version, used by professional/paid DJ's shouldn't have to pay an upgrade fee, however small. A few relevant software companies that charge for completely new versions; Adobe, Sony, ME, windows, mixed in key, Traktor and the list goes on.

Of course massive updates justify an upgrade fee as long as the last free update is still supported and free of major bugs.




I would have 2 disagree with this statement....because the free upgrades is ONE of the many reasons on why I went with VDJ over some of the other programs.....Why does being a professional mean we have 2 pay again for the update????

But anyways thx Atomix for letting it be a free upgrade....
 
nitebeatdisco wrote :


Despite Atomix stated policy regarding new versions which we all know very well and have no problem with and support,
an official statement was however made about the development of Version 8, which clearly stated...
"More details about the new VirtualDJ 8 will be available soon"


Cheers :)


I have to agree with nitebeatdisco. I think its perfectly fine if the management had kept kept in line with their policy of not discussing new releases, and kept all details abt the development of VDJ 8 a secret until it was finally ready, however they chose to make a release stating the VDJ 8 was in the pipelines and that more details will be available soon. I think that is perfectly fine too. From a business point of view, it generates buzz about your new product. But I think that having made that announcement of having more details available soon, and then reverting to the previous stance of 'not disclosing any information until the software is ready' is misleading and not very fair to the consumer. Its been three months now since the first announcement on the development of VDJ 8. A quarter of a year is a pretty long time to go by without any new information being released, especially in the software/digital world.

I hope that the team does make an announcement soon. It doesnt matter whether the specific details of the new version are announced or not, but like nitebeatdisco said, even an update on which phase of work the team is currently at. Still development, or beta testing etc would be appreciated.

All in all, this is a happy problem, because it shows that the demand for the product is great, managing it is important. I wish the team all the best and look forward to hearing from them soon (hopefully).
 

You paid for a product being VDJ 7.X or a previous version, VDJ 8 could be a ground breaking release redefining DJ software (you don't know) or maybe they will decide to give it an alternative name closer to release (nobody knows) so at this stage it's wrong to speculate whether or not an upgrade charge would be justified.

What I said was that I hope it's a charged upgrade for the reasons I outlined, but in short if Atomix were to charge that would be a signal to me that I'm getting something new and special.

Most "professional" programs do charge for major releases/new versions because the user base are using the product for commercial gain, in all honesty there are some other products out there that appeal to me for one reason or another, I wouldn't say better than VDJ but they have something to offer that VDJ does not and that gets my attention, however to use such a different program on a different platform requiring different hardware etc would cost me thousands of dollars (no exaggeration) and not to mention the amount of time needed, so if Atomix can match their competitors in certain areas and they want to charge me $50 to upgrade I would be very grateful, $100 I'd be even more grateful.

Moneys made round to go round ;).
 
+1, I'd have no problem paying for an upgrade.
 
beatbreaker1 wrote :
+1, I'd have no problem paying for an upgrade.


+1 Mee too. It be a solution to piracy.
 
i think i would have a problem paying because i will feel like i was miss lead and lied to because i was told a pro user gets updates for free and their is nothing i hate more then being told one thing and then have it change down the road and the new version better be insane if then are going to charge extra for it and it better be at a good price.
 

bagpuss wrote :
What I said was that I hope it's a charged upgrade for the reasons I outlined, but in short if Atomix were to charge that would be a signal to me that I'm getting something new and special.

Most "professional" programs do charge for major releases/new versions because the user base are using the product for commercial gain


So that is the difference between "Pro" and not - is that the company charges for their major upgrades ??

Well no wonder our user base continues to call VirtualDJ just a toy and not good enough for Professional use. Or is it NOT our user base that calls it a toy, but those that get charged for every major upgrade because if they only had to paid once and got free upgrades it must not be a Professional software solution?

djsonance wrote :
nitebeatdisco wrote :

Despite Atomix stated policy regarding new versions which we all know very well and have no problem with and support,
an official statement was however made about the development of Version 8, which clearly stated...
"More details about the new VirtualDJ 8 will be available soon"

I have to agree with nitebeatdisco. I think its perfectly fine if the management had kept kept in line with their policy of not discussing new releases, and kept all details abt the development of VDJ 8 a secret until it was finally ready, however they chose to make a release stating the VDJ 8 was in the pipelines and that more details will be available soon.


And, now you both understand why we don't typically make any statements about anything in development. And whether said or not, is it still not our perogative on When, Where, and How something is communicated?

dJ_ro_(ecu) wrote :
beatbreaker1 wrote :
+1, I'd have no problem paying for an upgrade.

+1 Mee too. It be a solution to piracy.


How does having already paid users pay for an upgrade become a solution to piracy ? If anything it would make it grow even more - wouldn't you agree ?
 
bagpuss wrote :

Most "professional" programs do charge for major releases/new versions because the user base are using the product for commercial gain,


Let’s call a spade a spade here – those other “professional” companies aren’t charging you for upgrades to make themselves more professional, or even to combat piracy, they do it to make more money, pure and simple, and because they are getting away with it. There are not many companies still around offering a free upgrade path, but I think it shows a rare dedication to the current client base, and I give props to Atomix for keeping true to that. The temptation must be there “because everyone else is doing it.”
 
cstoll wrote :

And, now you both understand why we don't typically make any statements about anything in development. And whether said or not, is it still not our perogative on When, Where, and How something is communicated?


Yes, it is entirely the prerogative of the company as to when to do anything, but basic marketing teaches there is a fine line between teasing a new product and irritating your customer base. If the purpose of the “won’t release details” policy is to avoid that situation then fine, that statement shouldn’t have been in the press release. But it was, and it clearly stated more information would be coming soon, and in no part of the business world is longer than a fiscal quarter considered to be soon. That means you haven’t lived up to your stated intentions to your customers. You broke your own policy by making the statement and that has now led to some agitation amongst your user base – the exact situation the policy was trying to avoid.

What doesn’t make sense is, when it is such an incredibly easy situation to remedy, why let this turn into a failure of your marketing? All you have to do is drop another tease. And keep dropping them every few weeks until you actually are ready to announce something. I do it all the time in my businesses. It’s a quick and dirty way to keep the clients preoccupied while you finish up your work when something slipped out before it was supposed to.

Your press release was a lemon. Make some lemonade before things turn sour! :-)
 
djoddity wrote :
All you have to do is drop another tease.


Ok,

TEASER - TEASER - TEASER

Don't read this if you don't want to be disappointed or learn about what is to come.


VirtualDJ 8 is coming soon ... when it is done being written, tested, debugged, tested some more, and then debugged again.


Oh, and SOON is a realitve term and has no real meaning of time. It could be tomorrow, could be next week, it could be several months - but in all cases it will still be soon. Ref: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/soon


Find a DJ Software company that has the track record of releases with improvements, minor or major releases; like we do - http://www.virtualdj.com/wiki/VirtualDJ_History.html

And even now this is not the longest gap between releases - 3 years ago there was a 9 month gap from ver 5.2.1 to ver 6.0, a major release.

So far, its been 3 months. And, when the announcement was made; it was stated that this was a build from the ground up so we could bring both worlds of VirtualDJ and djDecks to the combined user base. If more 'teasing' was going to truly satisfy the masses verse just make more people upset - then don't you think we would have given more by now? But we know from our history and from how our user base responds that even a hint of development sends everyone into a frenzy - as you all are exhibiting in this thread.

So, sure - things are still being worked on - if they weren't then it would be released, right?
And, We are not just sitting around on our hands. And we don't drink lemonade around here - only KoolAid :)
 
9 months was the biggest gap between new releases, so that gives us let us say 3 more months of waiting...
Woohooo :))

I have patience, and in the meanwile, i'll get to know the software better and better.
 
Stievie Gonzales wrote :
9 months was the biggest gap between new releases, so that gives us let us say 3 more months of waiting...
Woohooo :))


I would not be so happy. Have you ever thought that this "9 months" record can be broken? LOL
 
I'm just new to the entire digital dj world, as a matter of fact i may take two more years for me, i don't care.

But i can agree with previous statements that been made...

If they didn't tease there wouldn't have been so much commotion around it.


I just wonder why everybody wants this new release so bad?
Is the current version not good enough?
 
MAGAGAR80 wrote :
Caliente123 wrote :
I never seen a software companie that charges you for updates.


M-Audio/Avid Torq.....not only do you have to pay for their updates but it messes up your other existing audio software.



I hated Torq. Pathetic/non-existent controller driver support and clunky, inefficient database system.
So glad I migrated to VDJ Pro!
 
Caliente123 wrote :
I never seen a software companie that charges you for updates.

Really ? how many softwares do you have ??
 
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