ClayDJ
Hi All,
I know that I'm missing something obvious here, but what?...
I have two Denon 5500's that I am trying to use with VDJ.
The problem is that both 5500's will only control VDJ player 1. Pushing play on one controller will start play on player 1, also the second 5500 will also start to spin and mirrors controller 1 with controls as well as button lighting (both controllers can be used to operate player 1).
How can I get controller 1 to operate player 1, and controller 2 to operate player 2?
My setup:
VDJ 7 - 2 player default skin Ver 7.05b.
HP laptop, win7, 4GB of RAM.
Asio: Latest Denon driver Ver 2.22
Denon Setup both controllers: Reset to default mode, Latest Ver 1400, midi ch set = 1&2, Jog trns int = 3ms, Unit Set = I have tried the default (All) on both units as well as making one controller unit 1, and the other Unit 2.
Both controllers show up in Asio and I have tried checking and unchecking (activate/deactivate) one of them with no luck.
I do notice that when I load the four deck skin, the first controller will control player 1, and the second controller will control player 3.
Can't get any controller to operate player 2 in the two player default skin.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance,
Clay
I know that I'm missing something obvious here, but what?...
I have two Denon 5500's that I am trying to use with VDJ.
The problem is that both 5500's will only control VDJ player 1. Pushing play on one controller will start play on player 1, also the second 5500 will also start to spin and mirrors controller 1 with controls as well as button lighting (both controllers can be used to operate player 1).
How can I get controller 1 to operate player 1, and controller 2 to operate player 2?
My setup:
VDJ 7 - 2 player default skin Ver 7.05b.
HP laptop, win7, 4GB of RAM.
Asio: Latest Denon driver Ver 2.22
Denon Setup both controllers: Reset to default mode, Latest Ver 1400, midi ch set = 1&2, Jog trns int = 3ms, Unit Set = I have tried the default (All) on both units as well as making one controller unit 1, and the other Unit 2.
Both controllers show up in Asio and I have tried checking and unchecking (activate/deactivate) one of them with no luck.
I do notice that when I load the four deck skin, the first controller will control player 1, and the second controller will control player 3.
Can't get any controller to operate player 2 in the two player default skin.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance,
Clay
Posté Mon 30 Apr 12 @ 5:59 pm
Support staff
Please ensure that each controller is assigned to the correct deck.
Please see our FAQ pages:
http://www.virtualdj.com/wiki/Decks%20inverted%20on%20MIDI%20controller.html
Please see our FAQ pages:
http://www.virtualdj.com/wiki/Decks%20inverted%20on%20MIDI%20controller.html
Posté Tue 01 May 12 @ 4:27 am
groovindj
You do realise that each HS5500 is actually two decks? There's a 'layer' switch that allows you to swap between them.
That's why each HS5500 has two MIDI channels. One for the first layer, one for the second.
From what you've posted, I'd suggest that your issue is caused by having both HS5500s on MIDI channels 1 & 2. They're clashing.
Connecting two HS5500s is effectively connecting FOUR controllers (because of the layers) so you need four MIDI channels to keep everything separate.
That's why each HS5500 has two MIDI channels. One for the first layer, one for the second.
From what you've posted, I'd suggest that your issue is caused by having both HS5500s on MIDI channels 1 & 2. They're clashing.
Connecting two HS5500s is effectively connecting FOUR controllers (because of the layers) so you need four MIDI channels to keep everything separate.
Posté Tue 01 May 12 @ 5:18 am
Support staff
Actually in VirtualDJ you don't need to and shouldn't change the MIDI channels. Doing so may result in the controller no-longer working depending on how the mapping is defined. Each controller should have its own separate USB MIDI interface, so it doesn't matter if both are using the same channels.
With 2x 2 deck (2 layers) controllers and a 4 deck skin, one would by default by assigned to decks 1&2 and the other to decks 3&4.
With a 2 deck skin, both will be assigned to the left/right decks, so on the second unit, you'd need to switch to the layer 2.
With 2x 2 deck (2 layers) controllers and a 4 deck skin, one would by default by assigned to decks 1&2 and the other to decks 3&4.
With a 2 deck skin, both will be assigned to the left/right decks, so on the second unit, you'd need to switch to the layer 2.
Posté Tue 01 May 12 @ 7:37 am
groovindj
Yes, looking back at what I posted on the Denon forum just over a year ago, that does seem to be the case.
http://www.denondjforums.com/forum/index.php?f=33&t=13391&p=116423&rb_v=viewtopic#p116423
http://www.denondjforums.com/forum/index.php?f=33&t=13391&p=116423&rb_v=viewtopic#p116423
Posté Tue 01 May 12 @ 8:38 am
ClayDJ
Thanks for the input guys!
As Teamer mentioned, I would think that the default VDJ would be set up for two controllers to operate the two VDJ players as a standard.
But this is not the case in this instance...why?
I tried reloading VDJ and had the same issue.
I was able to load the four player skin, go into mapping and change controller assignments with some luck. Now I can have individual control of the 2 players, but the 5500 cue buttons won't light with the new deck reassignments.
I guess I will have to play around with the combinations of changing the controller assignments in mapping, individual Asio device enabling/disabling, changing 5500 preset midi parameters (midi 1&2, 3&4), and/or unit numbers (All, 1, 2, 3,or 4).
Should not have to do all of this with the default 2 player skin, it should be just plug and play.
ClayDJ
As Teamer mentioned, I would think that the default VDJ would be set up for two controllers to operate the two VDJ players as a standard.
But this is not the case in this instance...why?
I tried reloading VDJ and had the same issue.
I was able to load the four player skin, go into mapping and change controller assignments with some luck. Now I can have individual control of the 2 players, but the 5500 cue buttons won't light with the new deck reassignments.
I guess I will have to play around with the combinations of changing the controller assignments in mapping, individual Asio device enabling/disabling, changing 5500 preset midi parameters (midi 1&2, 3&4), and/or unit numbers (All, 1, 2, 3,or 4).
Should not have to do all of this with the default 2 player skin, it should be just plug and play.
ClayDJ
Posté Tue 01 May 12 @ 12:47 pm
ClayDJ
As the support staff mentioned above, I should set my second deck to layer 2.
In the previous VDJ version(s) I never had to do that. Both controllers were always on layer 1 and had independent control of the two players.
Has something changed with this latest version of VDJ that would affect layer control?
In the previous VDJ version(s) I never had to do that. Both controllers were always on layer 1 and had independent control of the two players.
Has something changed with this latest version of VDJ that would affect layer control?
Posté Tue 01 May 12 @ 3:56 pm
Support staff
It's because versions prior to 7 didn't support more than 2 decks.
In v7, VirtualDJ will automatically assign controllers to what it thinks are the most appropriate decks, especially if you are using a skin with more than 2 decks, so that you can control the additional available decks.
As far as the software is concerned, the HS5500 appears to be a dual-deck controller (Because of its two layers), so it assigns the first to decks 1&2 and the second 3&4. If you use a 2 deck skin, then each will be assigned to control left/right decks.
In v7, VirtualDJ will automatically assign controllers to what it thinks are the most appropriate decks, especially if you are using a skin with more than 2 decks, so that you can control the additional available decks.
As far as the software is concerned, the HS5500 appears to be a dual-deck controller (Because of its two layers), so it assigns the first to decks 1&2 and the second 3&4. If you use a 2 deck skin, then each will be assigned to control left/right decks.
Posté Wed 02 May 12 @ 5:25 am
groovindj
But it should also be possible to bypass the automatic assigning, if it's not arranged to your taste.
Posté Wed 02 May 12 @ 6:46 am
Support staff
You can manually assign them via CONFIG -> Mappers providing that you are using a 4 (Or more) deck skin.
Please see: http://www.virtualdj.com/wiki/Decks%20inverted%20on%20MIDI%20controller.html
However, because it is a 2 deck controller it will always have to be assigned to 2 consecutive decks at a time (Either 1&2, 2&3, 3&4 or left/right decks.)
Please see: http://www.virtualdj.com/wiki/Decks%20inverted%20on%20MIDI%20controller.html
However, because it is a 2 deck controller it will always have to be assigned to 2 consecutive decks at a time (Either 1&2, 2&3, 3&4 or left/right decks.)
Posté Wed 02 May 12 @ 7:13 am
groovindj
I understand the reasons why HS5500 is seen as a two deck controller (the 2nd layer cannot be turned off, and it always uses 2 MIDI channels) but what ClayDJ said earlier is correct.
In VDJ versions prior to 7, owners of two 5500s were able to connect both decks and have each control one player.
If VDJ pre-7 saw each 5500 as two players, surely it would not permit a second 5500 to be used, as one 5500 would be assigned to both VDJ players, and the two deck max would be reached?
In VDJ versions prior to 7, owners of two 5500s were able to connect both decks and have each control one player.
If VDJ pre-7 saw each 5500 as two players, surely it would not permit a second 5500 to be used, as one 5500 would be assigned to both VDJ players, and the two deck max would be reached?
Posté Wed 02 May 12 @ 10:43 am
Support staff
You can have as many MIDI controllers as you like (Within reason) and more than one can control the same deck(s). This was true in versions of VirtualDJ prior to v7.
The main difference is that in versions prior to v7 only had 2 decks, so the logic for assigning and using controllers is completely different. It's also possible that the 2nd layer of the HS5500 wasn't mapped in earlier versions.
If you just want to control decks 1 & 2, the best option is to use a 4 deck skin and assign player #1 to decks 1&2 and player #2 to decks 2&3.
The main difference is that in versions prior to v7 only had 2 decks, so the logic for assigning and using controllers is completely different. It's also possible that the 2nd layer of the HS5500 wasn't mapped in earlier versions.
If you just want to control decks 1 & 2, the best option is to use a 4 deck skin and assign player #1 to decks 1&2 and player #2 to decks 2&3.
Posté Wed 02 May 12 @ 10:59 am