djcraig
VJ Python wrote :
I bought Prime 4 in November 2019. Since then, I've been waiting for compatibility with VDJ. I believe it will be amazing, like all things from VDJ!!!
Rate this is going, it'll be Christmas, but not sure which one! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Posté Fri 22 May 20 @ 11:47 am
djcraig
djdad wrote :
@Keith, yes this is indeed the case. It's probably the major issue imo
Update:
With help from Denon Developers we finally managed to connect to the Screens (via their SDK) and we are back in trails. Screen skins are almost completed but will need to tweak several things. Unless something goes wrong we will offer full support next month or so, for both Prime 4 and SC5000.
Update:
With help from Denon Developers we finally managed to connect to the Screens (via their SDK) and we are back in trails. Screen skins are almost completed but will need to tweak several things. Unless something goes wrong we will offer full support next month or so, for both Prime 4 and SC5000.
Reading back through the posts and found this, not really hard to miss 😁 but something has clearly gone wrong!
Posté Fri 22 May 20 @ 6:31 pm
groovindj
As the unit is part of the Prime family, and some of the newborns (SC6000/M) are not actually out yet, they're possibly waiting until the whole family are available before adding support all in one go.
Posté Fri 22 May 20 @ 6:55 pm
XSkysurferX
so I think it's a cheek. Nothing comes. Times are also not observed. As many say, maybe Christmas
Posté Fri 22 May 20 @ 8:21 pm
groovindj
XSkysurferX wrote :
so I think it's a cheek
It's a cheek for you to keep posting, over and over again.
Atomix policy is (and always has been) "it will be released when it's ready". They rarely give dates, for precisely the reason you can see in this thread. People posting repeatedly, asking questions. Just wait!
Posté Fri 22 May 20 @ 8:41 pm
Dan (djtouchdan)
djdad on 6th May 2020 wrote :
....do not expect any Prime device support before the end of this month. There are several things to be addressed by release from both sides.
Just going to leave this here. 16 days since this was posted - and I would imagine nothing has changed.
Also worth remembering that some of the delays have been caused by Denon and not Virtual DJ.
Posté Fri 22 May 20 @ 8:53 pm
djcraig
groovindj wrote :
As the unit is part of the Prime family, and some of the newborns (SC6000/M) are not actually out yet, they're possibly waiting until the whole family are available before adding support all in one go.
The Prime 4 has been out for over year and now people have to wait longer because Denon hasn't actually released SC6000/M. Well, with the current world crisis, they are not going to be released soon are they?
Seems no one can understand the frustrations people have because Denon have said the Prime 4 would be supported for VDJ and that was soon after its release.
BTW, this isn't having a go at anyone at VDJ but it shouldn't have been said "within the next month or so", that is probably not verbatim. Its now 9 weeks on since that post on March 15th.
Posté Sat 23 May 20 @ 9:49 am
groovindj
Another point of view would be - why would anyone specifically choose to buy a unit that's designed to be used standalone, without a computer, and then start complaining that DJ software doesn't support it? [shrug]
Anyway, the Prime 4 actually has been supported in VDJ since last year (without screens).........which shouldn't be an issue when using it with a laptop (which has a screen).
Anyway, the Prime 4 actually has been supported in VDJ since last year (without screens).........which shouldn't be an issue when using it with a laptop (which has a screen).
Posté Sat 23 May 20 @ 10:15 am
XSkysurferX
maybe news from the development team?
@djdad
@djdad
Posté Sat 23 May 20 @ 10:27 am
djcraig
groovindj wrote :
Another point of view would be - why would anyone specifically choose to buy a unit that's designed to be used standalone, without a computer, and then start complaining that DJ software doesn't support it? [shrug]
Anyway, the Prime 4 actually has been supported in VDJ since last year (without screens).........which shouldn't be an issue when using it with a laptop (which has a screen).
Anyway, the Prime 4 actually has been supported in VDJ since last year (without screens).........which shouldn't be an issue when using it with a laptop (which has a screen).
groovindj wrote :
Another point of view would be - why would anyone specifically choose to buy a unit that's designed to be used standalone, without a computer, and then start complaining that DJ software doesn't support it? [shrug]
Anyway, the Prime 4 actually has been supported in VDJ since last year (without screens).........which shouldn't be an issue when using it with a laptop (which has a screen).
Anyway, the Prime 4 actually has been supported in VDJ since last year (without screens).........which shouldn't be an issue when using it with a laptop (which has a screen).
Another point of view, Denon said this unit would be supported by VDJ and people have bought a unit on the back of that.
Yes, in a way VDJ does work with the Prime 4, sadly not to its full extent and even with what currently works, that was 5/6 months after its release.
We all know what Denon are like with their development and more than likely this boils down to them.
Now, do not take this the wrong way as i love VDJ but if Denon really had their sh*t together with Engine Prime i doubt we would be discussing this, why would there be a need for software? Thankfully, VDJ have quite a head start before Engine Prime comes close.
My rationale for VDJ to be onboard with Denon is this could kill off VDJ as there is no need to use VDJ, Serato, Traktor if standalone units become genuinely standalone, this could be the start of the end for software based DJing. There will be a need for software but not to same extent as it is now, it will be for analysing tracks and not software actually playing them.
I still believe when VDJ works fully with the Prime 4 there will be a upsurge in Prime 4 sales.
Posté Sat 23 May 20 @ 11:14 am
groovindj
djcraig wrote :
this could be the start of the end for software based DJing
Well I don't know how long you've been DJing, but there have been standalone players in the past. They didn't cause DJ software to disappear, so it's still unlikely IMO.
Posté Sat 23 May 20 @ 11:41 am
djcraig
Well I don't know how long you've been DJing, but there have been standalone players in the past. They didn't cause DJ software to disappear, so it's still unlikely IMO.
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Since the days of vinyl on twin decks, then SL1210s, Twin CD, PCDJ, VDJ.
Turntable to CD, there was quite an overlap for me until the advent of CD burners. Got a Numark DMC1 coz it was going cheap at my local disco shop for something to play around with at home and ended up on the road with me and my CD collection. Stopped using CDs altogether after converting my collection to MP3 and been on VDJ since the disastrous PCDJ FX, not even sure if they are still going?
Standalone units are in their infancy and will only get better. I suppose we are coming full circle to the point where DJs just turn up with their music collection on a USB stick like when i turned up with my music collection in record boxes and stuck it on a 1210.
Turntables haven't disappeared but the sales are not what they used to be along with vinyl and is very much a specialism, i see software based DJing going the same way and won't have the same prevalence in the same way as turntables.
Posté Sat 23 May 20 @ 1:50 pm
groovindj
We have plenty in common then! :-)
Turntables & vinyl, then CDs, then PCDJ Red with the DMC1 (still got that in the cupboard). It's a shame about PCDJ Reflex (later RPM) - that would have been excellent, had Jorgen managed to finish it. PCDJ are still around - the current s/w is called Dex.
It's hard sometimes, looking at things like the Prime 4 and new SC6000 players and wanting to get some new kit, then talking myself out of it because I've already got plenty of still usable gear.
Turntables & vinyl, then CDs, then PCDJ Red with the DMC1 (still got that in the cupboard). It's a shame about PCDJ Reflex (later RPM) - that would have been excellent, had Jorgen managed to finish it. PCDJ are still around - the current s/w is called Dex.
It's hard sometimes, looking at things like the Prime 4 and new SC6000 players and wanting to get some new kit, then talking myself out of it because I've already got plenty of still usable gear.
Posté Sat 23 May 20 @ 2:06 pm
locoDog
What other industry has said "we'll stop using computers" ?
standalone is an idea born 10 years ago when we said wouldn't it be great if we could do all the djing things a computer can without a computer, and now they can, they can do most of the things we were doing 10 years ago.
HW will always lag behind, if you're just AtoB mixing, sure HW will catch you up [already has] but the world will have moved on.
standalone is an idea born 10 years ago when we said wouldn't it be great if we could do all the djing things a computer can without a computer, and now they can, they can do most of the things we were doing 10 years ago.
HW will always lag behind, if you're just AtoB mixing, sure HW will catch you up [already has] but the world will have moved on.
Posté Sat 23 May 20 @ 2:25 pm
djcraig
groovindj wrote :
We have plenty in common then! :-)
Id forgotten about red 5.2, that was rock solid, shame about the library system it employed. FX made me look a dick on a few occasions. Christ, something as simple as loading up a track on the other deck and it would crash. Id forgotten who owned it back in the day, visiosonic, just been having a look online.
TBH, VDJ back then against PCDJ looked like something a child would use, it look bloody awful in comparison, thankfully, it has just got better and better.
Posté Sat 23 May 20 @ 2:28 pm
groovindj
I actually met Jorgen Hedberg when he first showed his software (called Digital 1200SL then) at PLASA in London, with the DMC1.
Then there was Phil and his furry yellow all-in-one DJ computer...
I remember asking someone on the Denon stand (when they had twin CD racks) about putting a hard drive inside, and it was like I wanted the moon on a stick.
Then Numark made the HDCD1 - they must have been listening. :-)
Then there was Phil and his furry yellow all-in-one DJ computer...
I remember asking someone on the Denon stand (when they had twin CD racks) about putting a hard drive inside, and it was like I wanted the moon on a stick.
Then Numark made the HDCD1 - they must have been listening. :-)
Posté Sat 23 May 20 @ 3:46 pm
A Man and His Music
I never buy a controller, unless it works with the software that I use. Ever. There are plenty of controllers on the market that work with the software that I use, so I pick one of those. I can surely wait, why have a controller that I spent money on, but can only look at it? It's like buying a car, and waiting for the tires to come in. When you rush out and buy a controller that doesn't work with your software, you are only supporting the controller company. Stop supporting them, make them support you. They need us more than we need them. Do the math.
Posté Sat 23 May 20 @ 6:28 pm
djles.co.uk
December 2018 I was using my Denon MC6000Mk2 and was looking to progress to the MC7000. I went to my dealer to check it out and he said to wait as he had a Denon rep in the day before who revealed some hush, hush info on a new revolutionary Controller due in February/March 2019 (the Prime 4).
When it was released I decided to wait for VDJ support, however, in the specs initially, it did not support mp4 files. That was a big deal for me as from 2007 to 2014 all my new music was music videos from Promo Only. So, by August I bought the Denon MC7000 and really glad I did as it has been fantastic.
Looking at the Prime 4 situation now I think I made a very wise choice. :-)
When it was released I decided to wait for VDJ support, however, in the specs initially, it did not support mp4 files. That was a big deal for me as from 2007 to 2014 all my new music was music videos from Promo Only. So, by August I bought the Denon MC7000 and really glad I did as it has been fantastic.
Looking at the Prime 4 situation now I think I made a very wise choice. :-)
Posté Sun 24 May 20 @ 6:14 am
djmila
Denon Prime 4 support mp4´s. I have 4tb ssd installed in denon prime 4, with 28k mp4’s. When using standalone mode, it plays only music. In computer mode with VDJ o can play same files with video.
Posté Sun 24 May 20 @ 9:10 am
djcraig
A Man and His Music wrote :
I never buy a controller, unless it works with the software that I use. Ever. There are plenty of controllers on the market that work with the software that I use, so I pick one of those. I can surely wait, why have a controller that I spent money on, but can only look at it? It's like buying a car, and waiting for the tires to come in. When you rush out and buy a controller that doesn't work with your software, you are only supporting the controller company. Stop supporting them, make them support you. They need us more than we need them. Do the math.
I'd prefer not to just have pioneer as the only leading brand on the market and I'd like to continue supporting VDJ as it very rarely lets me down.
Posté Sun 24 May 20 @ 2:45 pm
