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I think a lot has been said by the experienced djs.
But reading through this post especially the first post, the feeling I have is that the people simple get jelous. Besides, who knows, the first poster might be coming from the team of developers of Tractor Dj. And so by seeing all these powerful features coming up day in day out in VDJ, he becomes very uncomfortable as to how they could not go this far when they have been in existence longer than the life of VDJ.
My advise to the VDJ team is that they should remain focus and take only constructive criticisms in good faith and should not let their detractors confuse them. They are doing a good job. So keep the fire burning!!!!!!!

The Best in the Industry so far.............VDJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DJ Monarch in Ghana
 
A few years ago i tried vdj and i do not like it. In my opinion it was a toy and you can not do proffessional djing with it. So i go first with digiscratch and then with serato. I like digiface very much but the did not come out with an update. So i switch to serato after 1or 2 years. Every dj in my town use serato (and the do not understand why i use digiscratch, but the sound engine and timecode vinyl work perfect). I work with serato and it works but i did not like the software design and that you have only the basics. Then traktor came out and some of the house/techno djs i know witch to it. Because i do not like serato very much (and the long wait for the updates) i look at it. man this software looks horrible.

so i began to test ervery! timecode solution out there and finally find vdj. so you see i have a long way to come to vdj and i think not every dj do that way or see vdj a few years ago (and think like me to that time that it is not proffesional).

The other good think is, that updates came very often. In the beginning off the realease from vdj 5 many users had problems with the version (many posts to that time about the problems:) ). Now with rev. 6 you do not see much people with problems and it works perfect for me.
 
Wow, this is great, glad this thread has turned out to be so informative, with so many opinions. First off, I am a SHE and not a he, not like you would know that from my name, but just figured I would put that out there. Secondly, I don't work for Traktor by any means whatsoever, but I have been a user for many years. The reason for using Traktor - is that I had a Mac when I was looking for a digital DJing solution, back in 2001. Back then the only Mac software was Megaseg, and it didn't do what I wanted it to - in terms of beatmixing in a club. When Traktor came out with software for the Mac platform, I jumped in. Up until this past year I have been DJing mostly in nightclubs. However, recently I started doing a ton of Mobile gigs.

So - basically I am looking to see what's out there, visiting the PCDJ board, Virtual DJ board, DenonDJ Forums, Traktor, SSL, and well, just reading what people are saying. This is an interesting time for DJ software. There are a few companies that are really struggling to release their products - and there are people that have controllers and they are frustrated that they can't use them in the manner they would like to, the list goes on and on. I think it is a great opportunity for the company that can do the job the best, and please it's users the most [even though you can never please everyone], because I think there are lot of people out there that are looking to switch software.

So many great comments have been put out there - and I think it's interesting to read about the old school DJ mentality of having to beat mix manually - and that a beat lock means that you aren't a real DJ. I remember when I started bringing my computer into the club - I was told that it wasn't really DJing, and I was completely looked down upon as a "digital" DJ by some people (mostly DJ's). But I had done my time using both CD's and vinyl, and I could beat mix with the best of them - and that's what I told people - and told them that the advantages of being digital were enormous. For me, the hugest at the time was that I lived in a 3rd floor apartment and had to carry down 3 crates of records at least 2 times a week.....and going digital meant I had to carry barely anything now. And, I could still do all the things I was doing with Vinyl - it seemed like a no brainer to me - I could carry more music with me, find songs faster, and the only thing different was that I didn't have to TOUCH the vinyl. I did miss having my hands on the decks, but I transitioned, and all the other benefits of being digital were enough. Ironically enough, I should note that club patrons, and management thought that using a computer to DJ was the COOLEST thing.

Now here I am in 2008 - well almost - and now I am using controllers and looking at video and the future of DJing....and other software options. Oh, and I have been DJing for 9 years now....you get to the point where you have to make things more interesting - I have a Vestax VCI 100 controller that I have been having fun with - purchased the Denon HC 4500 - which I can't wait to be able to use, and I am looking at other software that might add a little more fun into things - with video and effects.

Anyway - I absolutely appreciate everyone's comments - I have used the VDJ demo on my PC at home. It was good to play around with it. I use apple computers for my gigs, and even though I can use windows on them - I have just been hanging out and reading and waiting to make the purchase. What I am using right now is completely stable, so I don't want to rush anything. Having applied many updates over the years, and tried many beta-versions, I tend to sit back sometimes and just take it all in, see how people are doing with various controllers and set-ups. But, you are all great, and thank you so much for your honest opinions. I am quite sure that I will be a pro user soon : )
 
kkorpos wrote :
First off, I am a SHE and not a he, not like you would know that from my name, but just figured I would put that out there.



Fixed.
 
Just look at the life on these forums, it proves that we are here in numbers :).
 
I think it was mentioned before but VDJ get "bad-mouthed" because over the years VDJ has developed a reputation for having problems, and for some people it did but it is definitely not the same VDJ. It sometimes is very difficult to get people to see that things have changed and a lot of the older issues have been corrected. For that you need good promotions and time.
 
DJ Cyder wrote :
kkorpos wrote :
First off, I am a SHE and not a he, not like you would know that from my name, but just figured I would put that out there.



Fixed.



Nice little touch DJ Cyder. Should do this to all the ladys who write on these forum pages :)

Jimmy b



 
Hah, that's really funny!
 
When members update their profiles and select male or female, it is automatic.

Quick edit and you can be a girl too if you like...lool
 
LOL, Good one Rick ;)

Jimmy b

 
i read all da info above here............... bt still one thing was true that.... the sound engine of virtual dj is BAD...... i must say................ just try playing any 48Khz file.. nd it'll sound like..... SHIT!!!!!!.......
bt thats just one case......... taking all other facilities in view dat it offers.......... vdj turns out to be the best.............
 
chetan, probably it's your sound card. my new jazz tracks are sounding lovely over here ;-p
 
kkorpos,

Support for your controllers should be coming soon. Stay tuned...
 
vdj gets bad mouthed 1. coz bedroom djs have their hands on it and dont have "real" dj fundamentals and play around with effects which takes skill to do on turntables.. and abuse them... for eg. using the brake effect over and over doesnt make sense.. on a real turntable one would only use it to exist the stunt or something. so when a rookie bedroom dj does it thinking he's doing some ill sh1t a TT dj just looks at him like he's playing with a toy and dismiss it as a toy. and dont want to use vdj coz it'd be using a toy as a professional tool.

2. traktor, serato are not for all level type users so they get more respect.. like back in the day when i was in traktor forums u'd see ppl making their own controllers and stuff. the bedroom dj part is what's killing vdj rep.

3. stability issue. ppl that bad mouth vdj look for one reason to justify their hate. when it comes to stablity it can be coz of soo many reasons and IMO reason #1 is the user. a lot of djs dont know comps that well so when something goes wrong their quick to blame the software when it could be their own inexperience in the digital world. if u know your shit 98% of vdj the problems are myths. and ppl that dont use vdj are usually many versions behind. the 2% problems are so really minitor problems that could be worked around or just not used at all.


BRANDING:
serato and them targeting the "real" djs and it seems to work. then their working backwards now adding features little by little.
vdj on the other hand brought out all these features and got a backlash from the "real" heads. now gaining trust is an uphill battle. whatever feature the rest are working on vdj already has. but for some reason vdj is still considred a toy.

when u go to guitarcenter them dudes have cue locked up u cant try it. serato is out there on "absolute mode" to be tried by the real heads.
and vdj being french might have something to do with it. ever since they refused to go to war in iraq and shit.
 
and also serato comes with its own box which eliminates so many problems from different users. vjd tries to work with every souncard which causes all sorts of whining from everyone. so serato can fix its problems easier.
if vdj came with hardware it wouldv been out of the reach of 4/5 of its current users... and gotten some respect from "real" heads.
 

At the end of the day, I don't care what these "real heads" ( stealing the saying from gang5ta ) say, I play with VirtualDJ I have the up most respect for it.

It does the job I need it for and alot more, which I probally won't use.

I will always use it, and be proud to use it. End of

Jimmy b

 
the dj industry was an industry made of 100% 5%ers. meaning everyone was "real". these days everyone can dj coutesy of these dj softwares. and especially vdj. u dont need nothing else with vdj just keyboard and mouse and u can perform better than what someone has been doing for 5 years with TTs. and that is annoying to the "real" heads. what "real" heads dont understand is that no one gives a fukk about those stuns. no one but 5%ers really understands those stunts and were they came from and how they developed. majority of the ppl dont care about the names of scratches (baby scratch etc)...
there'r some "real" heads who dont even scratch. what is a dj if he cant scratch? how u gonna have tts and not be able to scratch...
if u have tts and can scratch well with perfected skillz then maybe u cann talk... but if u cant hold it down whats the point of bad mouthing a software...

the guitarcenter guy told me he likes serato coz of time coded vinyls... lol. this is a "real" head that WORKS at guitar center which also happens to sell CUE. dude just dismissed vdj like it was lame. he said if u like that video stuff get vdj. then i said do u know serato and them are working on video too? he got very excited!

wtf...
 
gang5ta wrote :
what is a dj if he cant scratch?


This statement really does me, I don't scatch, never intend to scatch, so I'm not classed as a DJ, what a load of B*ll**ks.

The music I play and love ( House ) 12 years with vinyl and now with VirtualDJ does not require me to do this, in actual fact if I was to scatch over the tracks it would sound so wrong, so wrong.

To me it's all about the mix and trying to get that perfect mix I worry about.

I will give credit where credit is due, Scatching is on art form, but it not the be all and end all for me.

So please don't go on about scratching. DJ'ing is not all about it.

Jimmy b

 
I asked a guy at my local dj store today if he had tryed Virtual DJ and he said he used to have it.
Then said that Serato is the exact same now that they have video. I looked at him and wondered - Is this guy for real???
 
jimmy b wrote :
gang5ta wrote :
what is a dj if he cant scratch?


This statement really does me, I don't scatch, never intend to scatch, so I'm not classed as a DJ, what a load of B*ll**ks.

The music I play and love ( House ) 12 years with vinyl and now with VirtualDJ does not require me to do this, in actual fact if I was to scatch over the tracks it would sound so wrong, so wrong.

To me it's all about the mix and trying to get that perfect mix I worry about.

I will give credit where credit is due, Scatching is on art form, but it not the be all and end all for me.

So please don't go on about scratching. DJ'ing is not all about it.

Jimmy b



I'm with you man.

All this codwallop about only scratchers are real DJs. Absolute arrogance. What matters to my audience is keeping the music moving, playing the best music for the night and giving people a good night out. Ok I have some respect for turntablists who can create a totally new track which is different and that people actually want to listen to. (very rare) But the arrogance of people like this leaves me cold. I'd like to see how they went on with the audiences I play to. They'd be eaten alive and would find out what being a 'real DJ' is about.

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