the SOUND INSURGENT
what is legal music? i keep hearing this but not sure.does music i get through a program like RIPCAST count as legal music?
thanks for looking and answering.
the "SOUND INSURGENT"
thanks for looking and answering.
the "SOUND INSURGENT"
Posté Wed 27 Aug 08 @ 8:59 pm
dj-e-lectric
Very simply if you buy it from a licensed source with a license to be used for public performance it is legal, anything else is in varying degrees illegal. Virtually EVERY electronically distributed music and video service from the p2p file sharing to using Rhapsody (yes friends rhapsody is technically illegal to use...read the agreement it is NOT for public performance) is illegal for Djs to use.
All of the download services will tell you (or insinuate) they are legal but they will never show you the licenses from the labels allowing them to distribute their music or video (I have seen some of the "legal" download services that posted promo only video and forgot to edit out the promo only label (oops!)....obviously that service was using illegal copies to illegally distribute under the guise of being a "pool" for djs.
It is virtually impossible to tell who is legal and who isn't as far as the "Dj" download services because they won't show you the licenses, but at the same token it is very improbable the labels will ever come after any Djs for using them, they will just eventually get around to shutting done the service if they think they are loosing enough money to make it worth the hassle (which it probably isn't).
Since it is so impossible to tell if a service is legal or not if the label ever did go after any Dj or Djs for using them they would have a REALLY hard time proving intend to defraud on the Djs part so it would probably get dismissed anyway.
Just my humble non legal advice opinion.
All of the download services will tell you (or insinuate) they are legal but they will never show you the licenses from the labels allowing them to distribute their music or video (I have seen some of the "legal" download services that posted promo only video and forgot to edit out the promo only label (oops!)....obviously that service was using illegal copies to illegally distribute under the guise of being a "pool" for djs.
It is virtually impossible to tell who is legal and who isn't as far as the "Dj" download services because they won't show you the licenses, but at the same token it is very improbable the labels will ever come after any Djs for using them, they will just eventually get around to shutting done the service if they think they are loosing enough money to make it worth the hassle (which it probably isn't).
Since it is so impossible to tell if a service is legal or not if the label ever did go after any Dj or Djs for using them they would have a REALLY hard time proving intend to defraud on the Djs part so it would probably get dismissed anyway.
Just my humble non legal advice opinion.
Posté Thu 28 Aug 08 @ 7:37 am
hippydog
dj-e-lectric wrote :
Very simply if you buy it from a licensed source with a license to be used for public performance it is legal, anything else is in varying degrees illegal. Virtually EVERY electronically distributed music and video service from the p2p file sharing to using Rhapsody (yes friends rhapsody is technically illegal to use...read the agreement it is NOT for public performance) is illegal for Djs to use.
All of the download services will tell you (or insinuate) they are legal but they will never show you the licenses from the labels allowing them to distribute their music or video (I have seen some of the "legal" download services that posted promo only video and forgot to edit out the promo only label (oops!)....obviously that service was using illegal copies to illegally distribute under the guise of being a "pool" for djs.
It is virtually impossible to tell who is legal and who isn't as far as the "Dj" download services because they won't show you the licenses, but at the same token it is very improbable the labels will ever come after any Djs for using them, they will just eventually get around to shutting done the service if they think they are loosing enough money to make it worth the hassle (which it probably isn't).
Since it is so impossible to tell if a service is legal or not if the label ever did go after any Dj or Djs for using them they would have a REALLY hard time proving intend to defraud on the Djs part so it would probably get dismissed anyway.
Just my humble non legal advice opinion.
All of the download services will tell you (or insinuate) they are legal but they will never show you the licenses from the labels allowing them to distribute their music or video (I have seen some of the "legal" download services that posted promo only video and forgot to edit out the promo only label (oops!)....obviously that service was using illegal copies to illegally distribute under the guise of being a "pool" for djs.
It is virtually impossible to tell who is legal and who isn't as far as the "Dj" download services because they won't show you the licenses, but at the same token it is very improbable the labels will ever come after any Djs for using them, they will just eventually get around to shutting done the service if they think they are loosing enough money to make it worth the hassle (which it probably isn't).
Since it is so impossible to tell if a service is legal or not if the label ever did go after any Dj or Djs for using them they would have a REALLY hard time proving intend to defraud on the Djs part so it would probably get dismissed anyway.
Just my humble non legal advice opinion.
not disagreeing with what you said.. (essentially correct).
But, just for fun, lets add "ethics" into the mix..
without the Artists that make the music we would be nothing..
With that point of view the choices become easy..
Original CD's & DVD's= artist is paid
Promo only, ERG, Prime cuts= artist is paid
Napster, Itunes, rhapsody= artist is paid
Limewire, bittorent, some DJ "pools", etc etc= pure theft
Posté Thu 28 Aug 08 @ 1:27 pm
funkturnal
hippydog wrote :
some DJ "pools", etc etc= pure theft
u mean pure promotion so the artist can climb the charts & can get paid! big difference
Posté Thu 28 Aug 08 @ 2:32 pm
Fault
Pools are normallly legal. Pretty much, unless its a free download, if you didnt pay for it, its illegal
Posté Thu 28 Aug 08 @ 3:35 pm
dj-e-lectric
hippydog wrote :
not disagreeing with what you said.. (essentially correct).
But, just for fun, lets add "ethics" into the mix..
without the Artists that make the music we would be nothing..
With that point of view the choices become easy..
Original CD's & DVD's= artist is paid
Promo only, ERG, Prime cuts= artist is paid
Napster, Itunes, rhapsody= artist is paid
Limewire, bittorent, some DJ "pools", etc etc= pure theft
dj-e-lectric wrote :
Very simply if you buy it from a licensed source with a license to be used for public performance it is legal, anything else is in varying degrees illegal. Virtually EVERY electronically distributed music and video service from the p2p file sharing to using Rhapsody (yes friends rhapsody is technically illegal to use...read the agreement it is NOT for public performance) is illegal for Djs to use.
All of the download services will tell you (or insinuate) they are legal but they will never show you the licenses from the labels allowing them to distribute their music or video (I have seen some of the "legal" download services that posted promo only video and forgot to edit out the promo only label (oops!)....obviously that service was using illegal copies to illegally distribute under the guise of being a "pool" for djs.
It is virtually impossible to tell who is legal and who isn't as far as the "Dj" download services because they won't show you the licenses, but at the same token it is very improbable the labels will ever come after any Djs for using them, they will just eventually get around to shutting done the service if they think they are loosing enough money to make it worth the hassle (which it probably isn't).
Since it is so impossible to tell if a service is legal or not if the label ever did go after any Dj or Djs for using them they would have a REALLY hard time proving intend to defraud on the Djs part so it would probably get dismissed anyway.
Just my humble non legal advice opinion.
All of the download services will tell you (or insinuate) they are legal but they will never show you the licenses from the labels allowing them to distribute their music or video (I have seen some of the "legal" download services that posted promo only video and forgot to edit out the promo only label (oops!)....obviously that service was using illegal copies to illegally distribute under the guise of being a "pool" for djs.
It is virtually impossible to tell who is legal and who isn't as far as the "Dj" download services because they won't show you the licenses, but at the same token it is very improbable the labels will ever come after any Djs for using them, they will just eventually get around to shutting done the service if they think they are loosing enough money to make it worth the hassle (which it probably isn't).
Since it is so impossible to tell if a service is legal or not if the label ever did go after any Dj or Djs for using them they would have a REALLY hard time proving intend to defraud on the Djs part so it would probably get dismissed anyway.
Just my humble non legal advice opinion.
not disagreeing with what you said.. (essentially correct).
But, just for fun, lets add "ethics" into the mix..
without the Artists that make the music we would be nothing..
With that point of view the choices become easy..
Original CD's & DVD's= artist is paid
Promo only, ERG, Prime cuts= artist is paid
Napster, Itunes, rhapsody= artist is paid
Limewire, bittorent, some DJ "pools", etc etc= pure theft
damn those ethics.....agree with you almost 100%, but to what extent is it my responsibility to the labels or the artists to police their products for them? Don't get me wrong, I am the first one to try to get rid of the obvious abusers (I don't want any excuses for the wide spread implementation of DRM); however, if WE can find these services in the open (and in many cases alert the labels to them) with their massive resources it should be even easier for them to find them also and yet they do nothing to stop them and prevent them from starting up or continuing. Isn't that really their passive approval recognizing the Djs legitimate use of these downloads to help promote those artists is more valuable than the limited revenue of the few Dj sales of these products (as it was pointed out to me in another debate on this board about DRM that the sale of music to Djs is a miniscual part of the overall sale of music)?
It is a great intellectual, ethical and financial debate in any respect.
Posté Thu 28 Aug 08 @ 4:07 pm
DJSpecter
hippydog wrote :
not disagreeing with what you said.. (essentially correct).
But, just for fun, lets add "ethics" into the mix..
without the Artists that make the music we would be nothing..
With that point of view the choices become easy..
Original CD's & DVD's= RIAA is paid
Promo only, ERG, Prime cuts= RIAA is paid
Napster, Itunes, rhapsody= RIAA is paid
Limewire, bittorent, some DJ "pools", etc etc= pure theft
dj-e-lectric wrote :
Very simply if you buy it from a licensed source with a license to be used for public performance it is legal, anything else is in varying degrees illegal. Virtually EVERY electronically distributed music and video service from the p2p file sharing to using Rhapsody (yes friends rhapsody is technically illegal to use...read the agreement it is NOT for public performance) is illegal for Djs to use.
All of the download services will tell you (or insinuate) they are legal but they will never show you the licenses from the labels allowing them to distribute their music or video (I have seen some of the "legal" download services that posted promo only video and forgot to edit out the promo only label (oops!)....obviously that service was using illegal copies to illegally distribute under the guise of being a "pool" for djs.
It is virtually impossible to tell who is legal and who isn't as far as the "Dj" download services because they won't show you the licenses, but at the same token it is very improbable the labels will ever come after any Djs for using them, they will just eventually get around to shutting done the service if they think they are loosing enough money to make it worth the hassle (which it probably isn't).
Since it is so impossible to tell if a service is legal or not if the label ever did go after any Dj or Djs for using them they would have a REALLY hard time proving intend to defraud on the Djs part so it would probably get dismissed anyway.
Just my humble non legal advice opinion.
All of the download services will tell you (or insinuate) they are legal but they will never show you the licenses from the labels allowing them to distribute their music or video (I have seen some of the "legal" download services that posted promo only video and forgot to edit out the promo only label (oops!)....obviously that service was using illegal copies to illegally distribute under the guise of being a "pool" for djs.
It is virtually impossible to tell who is legal and who isn't as far as the "Dj" download services because they won't show you the licenses, but at the same token it is very improbable the labels will ever come after any Djs for using them, they will just eventually get around to shutting done the service if they think they are loosing enough money to make it worth the hassle (which it probably isn't).
Since it is so impossible to tell if a service is legal or not if the label ever did go after any Dj or Djs for using them they would have a REALLY hard time proving intend to defraud on the Djs part so it would probably get dismissed anyway.
Just my humble non legal advice opinion.
not disagreeing with what you said.. (essentially correct).
But, just for fun, lets add "ethics" into the mix..
without the Artists that make the music we would be nothing..
With that point of view the choices become easy..
Original CD's & DVD's= RIAA is paid
Promo only, ERG, Prime cuts= RIAA is paid
Napster, Itunes, rhapsody= RIAA is paid
Limewire, bittorent, some DJ "pools", etc etc= pure theft
fixed
Posté Thu 28 Aug 08 @ 4:10 pm
the SOUND INSURGENT
wow never thought i would get such a great response! but then again VDJ is the best FAMILY that one could be in!!
o.k. try this one, where do i find all of those hot remixes? after all my job is to bring the freshest, newest, dopest mixes i can find!! i have searched high and low for the tracks even the so called artist but have not been able to find them. whats a guy to do except rip them using a program deemed illegal. any input would great.
thanks guys
o.k. try this one, where do i find all of those hot remixes? after all my job is to bring the freshest, newest, dopest mixes i can find!! i have searched high and low for the tracks even the so called artist but have not been able to find them. whats a guy to do except rip them using a program deemed illegal. any input would great.
thanks guys
Posté Thu 28 Aug 08 @ 6:26 pm
dj-e-lectric
To what remixes are you referring to? There are many legitimate (i.e. legally commissioned by the artist andor labels) and those are available usually by commercial means or "legitimate" Dj services and pools (promo only, screenplay, jones tm, Digiwaxx.com, local record pools, beatport.com....and many others). The most prevelant of these are the house and dance remixes of the hip hop and top 40 stuff.
Since the advent of the electronic music/video age any creative person with a few bucks can now easily create their own remixes with some popular software packages (although if not commissioned by the proper channels it is technically illegal to do once you save them). Those may or may not be available through the p2p site, you tube, myspace, etc. if the "creator" so chooses to share them with other Djs and the world.
For video smashvidz.com has a lot of remixed versions and if they still exist digiwaxx.com used to have a lot of rap remixes and of course if you get the right download pool they have lots of instrumental, accapellas and the like to make your own remixes.
Since the advent of the electronic music/video age any creative person with a few bucks can now easily create their own remixes with some popular software packages (although if not commissioned by the proper channels it is technically illegal to do once you save them). Those may or may not be available through the p2p site, you tube, myspace, etc. if the "creator" so chooses to share them with other Djs and the world.
For video smashvidz.com has a lot of remixed versions and if they still exist digiwaxx.com used to have a lot of rap remixes and of course if you get the right download pool they have lots of instrumental, accapellas and the like to make your own remixes.
Posté Thu 28 Aug 08 @ 7:10 pm
the SOUND INSURGENT
OK here are a few, 3 BAD BROTHAZ, ATOMIC HOOLIGAN, CHARLIE MURPHY, TRANCESPONDER, DEEKLINE & WIZARD. those are a few of the guys i like to use their remixes but when i search for them nothing comes up. give it a try and let me know?
again THANKS FOR LOOKING and YOUR TIME!!
the"SOUND INSURGENT"
again THANKS FOR LOOKING and YOUR TIME!!
the"SOUND INSURGENT"
Posté Thu 28 Aug 08 @ 9:27 pm
djfrochocr
I download my music from the Worksessions Digital Record Pool ( www.worksessions.com ) , & works fine for me... the rest of the music i got it from the record labels. Like.. Universal, BMG & DDM in latin america.
Posté Thu 28 Aug 08 @ 11:07 pm
The Lone Mixer II
i make my own remixes...try it its fun...
Posté Fri 29 Aug 08 @ 12:30 am
hippydog
hippydog wrote :
some DJ "pools", etc etc= pure theft
funkturnal wrote :
u mean pure promotion so the artist can climb the charts & can get paid! big difference
u mean pure promotion so the artist can climb the charts & can get paid! big difference
This would mean something if Bar & mobile DJ's actually played indie artists.. 99% of these DJ's don't...
We have zero effect on the charts... Thats controlled by the Radio Stations and promoters & fans.
Posté Fri 29 Aug 08 @ 2:04 pm
hippydog
DJSpecter wrote :
Original CD's & DVD's= RIAA is paid
Promo only, ERG, Prime cuts= RIAA is paid
Napster, Itunes, rhapsody= RIAA is paid
/quote]
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Promo only, ERG, Prime cuts= RIAA is paid
Napster, Itunes, rhapsody= RIAA is paid
/quote]
fixed
Really?
Canada doesnt have the RIAA... How does your arguement fit with that?
Just because someone is stupid, bloated, and completely out of touch with the times (and its clients), it doesnt give you the right to 'steal' from them....
Its still theft..
And the RIAA works for those same big-name artists you play.. So if you hate the RIAA, maybe a more ethical approach would be to NOT play those artists..
Posté Fri 29 Aug 08 @ 2:27 pm
hippydog
beatbreaker1 wrote :
OK here are a few, 3 BAD BROTHAZ, ATOMIC HOOLIGAN, CHARLIE MURPHY, TRANCESPONDER, DEEKLINE & WIZARD. those are a few of the guys i like to use their remixes but when i search for them nothing comes up. give it a try and let me know?
again THANKS FOR LOOKING and YOUR TIME!!
the"SOUND INSURGENT"
again THANKS FOR LOOKING and YOUR TIME!!
the"SOUND INSURGENT"
Why don't you just go to their websites and purchase their albums directly?
The only one i couldnt find a wepage for was CHARLIE MURPHY :)
Posté Fri 29 Aug 08 @ 2:44 pm
DJSpecter
hippydog wrote :
Really?
Canada doesnt have the RIAA... How does your arguement fit with that?
Just because someone is stupid, bloated, and completely out of touch with the times (and its clients), it doesnt give you the right to 'steal' from them....
Its still theft..
And the RIAA works for those same big-name artists you play.. So if you hate the RIAA, maybe a more ethical approach would be to NOT play those artists..
DJSpecter wrote :
Original CD's & DVD's= RIAA is paid
Promo only, ERG, Prime cuts= RIAA is paid
Napster, Itunes, rhapsody= RIAA is paid
/quote]
fixed
Promo only, ERG, Prime cuts= RIAA is paid
Napster, Itunes, rhapsody= RIAA is paid
/quote]
fixed
Really?
Canada doesnt have the RIAA... How does your arguement fit with that?
Just because someone is stupid, bloated, and completely out of touch with the times (and its clients), it doesnt give you the right to 'steal' from them....
Its still theft..
And the RIAA works for those same big-name artists you play.. So if you hate the RIAA, maybe a more ethical approach would be to NOT play those artists..
I don't i try to stay away from artist who are affiliated with the RIAA
Posté Fri 29 Aug 08 @ 4:48 pm
dj-e-lectric
hippydog wrote :
Really?
Canada doesnt have the RIAA... How does your arguement fit with that?
Just because someone is stupid, bloated, and completely out of touch with the times (and its clients), it doesnt give you the right to 'steal' from them....
Its still theft..
And the RIAA works for those same big-name artists you play.. So if you hate the RIAA, maybe a more ethical approach would be to NOT play those artists..
DJSpecter wrote :
Original CD's & DVD's= RIAA is paid
Promo only, ERG, Prime cuts= RIAA is paid
Napster, Itunes, rhapsody= RIAA is paid
/quote]
fixed
Promo only, ERG, Prime cuts= RIAA is paid
Napster, Itunes, rhapsody= RIAA is paid
/quote]
fixed
Really?
Canada doesnt have the RIAA... How does your arguement fit with that?
Just because someone is stupid, bloated, and completely out of touch with the times (and its clients), it doesnt give you the right to 'steal' from them....
Its still theft..
And the RIAA works for those same big-name artists you play.. So if you hate the RIAA, maybe a more ethical approach would be to NOT play those artists..
I think spector was making the point that if you use these sources then the people who own the right DO GET Paid...i.e. he is FOR using legitimate sources NOT illegal downloads where the artists/labels don't get their cut.
Even though Canada does not have the riaa I am sure they have something similar, (not sure what AVLA is but it is some licensing agency for Dj's & music)
Posté Fri 29 Aug 08 @ 7:47 pm
DJSpecter
dj-e-lectric wrote :
I think spector was making the point that if you use these sources then the people who own the right DO GET Paid...i.e. he is FOR using legitimate sources NOT illegal downloads where the artists/labels don't get their cut.
Even though Canada does not have the riaa I am sure they have something similar, (not sure what AVLA is but it is some licensing agency for Dj's & music)
hippydog wrote :
Really?
Canada doesnt have the RIAA... How does your arguement fit with that?
Just because someone is stupid, bloated, and completely out of touch with the times (and its clients), it doesnt give you the right to 'steal' from them....
Its still theft..
And the RIAA works for those same big-name artists you play.. So if you hate the RIAA, maybe a more ethical approach would be to NOT play those artists..
DJSpecter wrote :
Original CD's & DVD's= RIAA is paid
Promo only, ERG, Prime cuts= RIAA is paid
Napster, Itunes, rhapsody= RIAA is paid
/quote]
fixed
Promo only, ERG, Prime cuts= RIAA is paid
Napster, Itunes, rhapsody= RIAA is paid
/quote]
fixed
Really?
Canada doesnt have the RIAA... How does your arguement fit with that?
Just because someone is stupid, bloated, and completely out of touch with the times (and its clients), it doesnt give you the right to 'steal' from them....
Its still theft..
And the RIAA works for those same big-name artists you play.. So if you hate the RIAA, maybe a more ethical approach would be to NOT play those artists..
I think spector was making the point that if you use these sources then the people who own the right DO GET Paid...i.e. he is FOR using legitimate sources NOT illegal downloads where the artists/labels don't get their cut.
Even though Canada does not have the riaa I am sure they have something similar, (not sure what AVLA is but it is some licensing agency for Dj's & music)
exactly i like knowing that my money is going directly to the artist and not the record company. Also one of the bands that i like just released their album digitally and they've had great success with that, and guess what they made %100 from each sale. This is the way music should be distributed the record companies are only looking out for themselves not the artist.
Posté Sat 30 Aug 08 @ 5:49 am
digitalwiz
man all these legal.. illegal hassles.... sure glad I live on the island.
hmmm... food for thought... i wonder if we have these type of laws.. here
probably not... something worth looking into though
hmmm... food for thought... i wonder if we have these type of laws.. here
probably not... something worth looking into though
Posté Sat 30 Aug 08 @ 11:00 am
funkturnal
hippydog wrote :
This would mean something if Bar & mobile DJ's actually played indie artists.. 99% of these DJ's don't...
We have zero effect on the charts... Thats controlled by the Radio Stations and promoters & fans.
hippydog wrote :
some DJ "pools", etc etc= pure theft
funkturnal wrote :
u mean pure promotion so the artist can climb the charts & can get paid! big difference
u mean pure promotion so the artist can climb the charts & can get paid! big difference
This would mean something if Bar & mobile DJ's actually played indie artists.. 99% of these DJ's don't...
We have zero effect on the charts... Thats controlled by the Radio Stations and promoters & fans.
this mentality is why they have so much power now (but in reality don't). either way with indie put aside......new artists & old artists still need & get attention which inturn = promotion which inturn gives those listeners (yes in a club) a better reconition of the song ESPECIALLY now that they see the video in the club. Just like MTV etc has always been a big promotion tool for music.
Radio is not as strong as it used to be (hear all the fuss of the hd radio..this is them fighting back). Now with the ever growing love of mp3 players etc....u don't see people in the club with ipods do u? So now if they hear a song in the club they can go & hop on itunes & buy it. Its more likely that they will buy that one song on itunes that night or the next vs hearing something on the radio & go buy the cd at the store. All the old guidelines of how things use to work are changing. Its time to adapt m8.
Just because spins show up on the station doesn't mean that the listener doesn't flip the channel. A spin is not guaranteed TSL.
Posté Sat 30 Aug 08 @ 1:49 pm
