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here.. i can prove that virtual dj's sound system is really bad....... (i really liked the sound system of vdj 3.. bt after it gt remaped..... it started stinking).........

so... here's the proof..................
try playng any song in vdj......... nd then move any sliders lyk crossfaders or volume.......... or any other radio button lyk those in the EQ crossfaders....... or the button which changes the section of ur loop..................cleaarly hear... nd u'll notice some bbrbbb sound coming out.............. evertime.. at low or high volume.. nd i hav tried this at many PCs with all the settings..... bt still that crappy sound..........

nd... yes.. hav u ever tried playing any 48Khz sound in vdj???? it really sounds lyk cold SHIT
 
because 24 bit songs are not fully supported by VDJ nor is it fully supported in other software chetan. what is your point? have you tried TCV or got loads of Ram for the software to respond properly? I personally use TCV with external mixer and Maya 44 USB and have no problems but then again I'm not using the VDJ knobs when mixing. I'm using my external mixer to do the work with.
 
like i said, lots of us dont have any problems. all my vinyl was digitized at a 48khz-24 bit. when i got vdj i rezed copies down to 16 bit, but theyre still at 48khz. sound to me like your setup is what is substandard and not the software.
 
u wanna make this personal? there are four orther dj software they sound way! batter vdj has come a long way with it's sound engine.and now! i'm here to talk about software guys like u don't belong here! if u want get personal.i know i 've been useing dj software befor u ever think of useing them
 
chetan wrote :
try playng any song in vdj......... nd then move any sliders lyk crossfaders or volume.......... or any other radio button lyk those in the EQ crossfaders....... or the button which changes the section of ur loop..................cleaarly hear... nd u'll notice some bbrbbb sound coming out.............. evertime.. at low or high volume.. nd i hav tried this at many PCs with all the settings..... bt still that crappy sound..........

Of course, that's because you're getting crosstalk between PC circuitry and your own soundcard. Try buying a good FireWire or USB soundcard, like E-MU, Audio 8, Serato box, Torq Conectiv or similar (really good soundcards often used by DJs), and then tell me if you hear shit!!! Or, it is your computer which is shit!

Like about the 48KHz thing, I agree with Paz75: your PC is NOT for professional use!
 
your PC is NOT for professional use! wow!.the talk is about making vdj more sound batter that's it.where were u when the sound was really bad?.and i'm not here to ask for help i love vdj and i think everone also
 
DJ PHIL IT wrote :
your PC is NOT for professional use! wow!.the talk is about making vdj sound batter that's it

That was for the no licence user who told n00b things about the engine.



You can't see how many times I've been asking for a better EQ and volume/gain changes... they're the ONLY lacks with me! Unfortunately with a professional MIDI controller you still need an external mixer to have good cuts/boosts on them...
 
DJ PHIL: This is not personal, you dont give any details thats all...

Everybody, and i think even VDJ teamers will agree that the internal eq doesnt sound good to say the least. If the sounds starts changing if you touch the faders thats a clear latency problem if you ask me...so thats soundcard related.

 
actually, the rule of thumb is you dont eq boost tracks, you only cut them. 1-5% of tracks get boosted because a frequency band is really weak, but for the rest, you let the tech at the club do that.

ive used midi controlled only once and wasnt really happy with it, seemed to have some latency on the changes, so i'll stick with my mixer.
 
hey... u cant say that ma PC ain't for professional use.......... it got 4 GB RAM... Sound Blaster Audigy 4 Pro... nVidia..7200 FX... Intel Core 2 Duo @ 3.4 Ghz............. do u want anything else dude?? wat i said was absolutely true.... thats been the main reason for my for not buying VDJ professional........ nd pls note that.. i really liked the sound system of VDJ 3... but after version 4....... it got crapped...
 
Version 5 versus version 3? Sound-engine?

What are you talking about specifically? you can't just say "it got crapped", that doesn't present a problem to be solved! let us help you by giving us a proper description of your issue/interpretations (that's at Phil too, the thread starter who hasn't backed anything up yet).

Are you one of these people who say that a 192kbps MP3 sounds better than a WAV file? That might sound funny but I've argued with someone who had such a view.
 
that's at Phil too, the thread starter who hasn't backed anything up yet).ok the tes is sample there are four orther dj software play the same song you play in vdj and try it them.HAPPY NEW YEAR SOUND TO ALL VDJ DJS! (ALL THE BEST SOUND FOR 2K8).
 

There is nothing bad about VDJ current sound engine, in fact its GREAT.
(was rewritten some version ago)

But it depends on your soundcard, its driver, and your amp/speakers of course.

To run VDJ at hi-fi setting, with cristal clear sound, you need to choose high preset at VDJ performace settings, TURN OFF SAFE MODE, and also use a soundcard mode that delivers low latency sound, such as "simple low latency" or ASIO at soundcard settings.

Compare to anything you like, it sounds great
 
Virtual DJ versus Traktor (latest versions)
Done some testing..

Same soundcard (Hercules MK2)(same config)
feeding into two channels of a mixer
Traktor left
VDJ right

Same track playing through both channels in sync with each other.
Traktor and VDJ both have a default master output of 0db is the first thing we learn.

They sound exactly the same. I've tried isolating frequencys, EQ'ing on my external mixer and finding that both channels distort at the same place (low, mid and hi).

I've tried House, R'n'B, 320kbps MP3 and WAV files. Exactly the same.

That's all I've found, perhaps an audiophile with better equipment would have different results, but one things for sure from my testing: If their is any difference, it is very minor and doesn't warrant any calls for a new sound engine or stark comparison.

Now how internal manipulation affects the output is a different thing all together. The internal EQ that VDJ has isn't as good as Traktors, and the quality of the effects in VDJ don't meet those of Traktor. But that's not what you've described?
 
Responding to the reply at the beginning of the thread about the cracking issues that I am having, I am in fact running Vista, and have heard other users say that they had better luck with XP. I'm guessing that Vista, some soundcard drivers (or perhaps it's the motherboard chipsets) and virtualDJ may not always get along 100%.

Other than this cracking, I think VDJ sounds fine - if you can crank up all the quality settings to the max (which you need good hardware and a good audio interface to do). In previous versions 48Khz downsampling was awful, and the master tempo left something to be desired, but things got a lot better with V4 - although it became a little trickier to optimize the configuration at the same time.

Perhaps the EQs are bad, (but I DJ with a decent mixer, and don't really use the internal ones unless I'm messing around at home), and I've also noticed that on very overdriven bass heavy songs, you get some distortion, especially if you have gains turned up and the like.

In any case, DJ PHIL IT since you are not really effectively articulating your issue, and given that you are an experienced sound engineer, it would be really helpful if you could run your setup through a good mixer and record the output of different software playing a few samples of pristine lossless audio (i.e. wav files). Describe in as much detail as possible what you are hearing, what you think the differences are, and what the setup was for each sample. If you could upload such samples somewhere, that would be really helpful, I'm sure and could help the developers determine specifically what your issues are.

If you have nowhere to put such files, I could give you a place to put them on a website of mine - just PM me if necessary.
 
Bagpuss wrote :
Virtual DJ versus Traktor (latest versions)
Traktor and VDJ both have a default master output of 0db is the first thing we learn.


in my exp the master from vdj is never 0 db (compared to cracked versions of traktor and torque i have tested)
im not using a herc DJ console either tho
and the meter on my mixer (and more importantly, my ears) would disagree quite strongly with VDJs consistency of 0 db (if the baseline was off i could deal with that but it doesnt seem to be consistently wrong either :S )

my only prob with VDJ comes with TCV, the rendering of the sound when moving the platter slowly is poor to say the least, playing at normal tempo on a clean bit of vinyl i get quite good sound, it does seem to glitch a lot easier than my friends SSL but thats to be expected.

i wanna get my hands on a TSL settup, cant find any shops with a demo settup

also the argument of supporting VSTs is a positive one but i have found it to be quite buggy in my environment (low latency TCV)
 
 
OK well I dont have Vista and I can somewhat understand Phil's complaint. My VDJ was working erratic at first with my hercules MK2 sound card... then all of a sudden one day it was working perfect... no crackles, hums, nothing. I kid you not it was perfect. Now the past 3-4 days I been getting pops and the music will stutter. The funny thing this will only happen in ASIOs mode. I dont know why it started out of the blue because I didnt change anything. But now when I go to use the MK2 directly versus thru ASIOs there are no pops. Its pretty strange.

I guess thats where people have a valid argument about Serato being stable even though its somewhat subpar to VDJ. I love VDJ but its like I never know what i'ma get and Its getting hard to take that chance as I get more gigs. I hope its fixed or i get it fixed b4 im forced to switch
 

Okey, this is why VDJ gets bad-mouthed at times...

So let me be precise... There is NOTHING wrong with VDJ sound engine, and VDJ works AS GOOD AS Serato.

But, VDJ has choosen to support a WIDE range of hardware, and in your case you are using a, sorry to say, crap consumer end soundcard.
It has VERY slow drivers, so you need to set a high latency in VDJ, or use AUTO, plus overclock, to compensate for the slow Hercules drivers/chips. Also, you can also turn on safe mode, to prevent the crackles.

And to let you know, IF Serato supported the Hercules, it would be exactly the same ;) Limitations are on the hardware , not the software.
 


@Tweed

some tips, to why it WAS working perfect with the Hercules, and sometimes not...

- A crackle/pop only occurs when audio buffer runs out of data while it waits for the CPU to give more audio data to the soundcard.

The soundcard talks to the CPU through IRQ, and process... So, if you are running your PC with few programs running (say MSN was off, and you also had your LAN/Wireless off) at that time, it could all be perfect. Then next time, you had MSN on (resource hog), and crackles came back.

Reason is simple, the audio buffer runs out, before your PC gives more data to the card.

With the Hercules, that is a bit sensitive to just that, one have several choices to make a pretty flawless run with VDJ :

1) Set latency to AUTO in VDJ (will let Hercules itself control latency/buffer)
2) Set latency in VDJ to at LEAST 512, or maybe even 1024. (Should be enough audio buffer, given you dont have other apps running that interputs the dataflow)
3) Run VDJ in safe mode, by turning on Safe Mode (will result in a bit less crisp sound, but then again, make a safer run for potential audio buffer run outs)

Lastly, one can experience with Overclock setting on, as it can (in some pcs, and specially laptops), give more process power to the soundcard, and make the PC give priority to sending audio data


Hope that helps ;)
 
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