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Hello All...

I know this is way off topic. But I just wanted to bring up that the United States has begun a recession. It may get serious in the coming years. Gas prices are nearing $4.00/gallon. Some places may have surpassed that. The housing market is terrible. Homes are way over priced. They have come down in the recent months, however, because of the slowing economy, you have to have near perfect credit to get even APPROVED for a mortgage let alone a lower interest rate. So far, gigs have been coming in steady, but I fear that may begin to change as things get worse. I currently have a steady job as a technology specialist at an elementary school. I thought it was a secure place to be, but thought wrong. Miami-Dade county schools in South Florida, there budget was slashed in half. Teachers are now endangered of being lade off... TEACHERS! And have the problem where we don't have enough. Luckily, I work in Palm Beach County, but even with them, the district superintendent put out a statement that "We do not have to lay anyone off yet. Key word in there is yet. I found out that there have been freezes on raises. Teachers in Palm Beach county have not seen a raise in 2 years.

Home invasions, robberies, are on the increase as the prices of things increase.

Bottom live to all that above, things are getting bad.

I was wondering are another other in other countries, Canada, Europe, Russia, etc. going through economic hard ship right now?
I am hoping with a new president on the horizon, things will get better.

May have to invest in a bike; Honda or something. I drive a Jeep and it's killing me. Wish I never bought the damn thing.
 
Posté Sat 03 May 08 @ 12:13 am
WTF dude! Gloom and doom eveyone\'s gonna die! Ok i\'m not usually one to get involved in political discussions but here we go.



This is exactly what the drive by media wants you to think, I\'m sorry but there are too many good things happening to call it a recession let me list a few for you to look at

The U.S. economy expanded by 0.6% in the first quarter of the year. (expanded not shrunk, a bit low but still an expansion)

Unemployment fell to 5% http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90DK0O00&show_article=1

Dow closed yesterday over 13k! http://www.nypost.com/seven/05022008/business/dow_ends_over_13k__rises189_109138.htm

its kinda hard to have a recession with numbers like that.

Gas prices are up yes, but i\'m sorry its the liberals at work again the days of cheap oil are gone. There hasn\'t been a new refinery in the US for 35 years! But its ok for AL Gore to burn food for fuel, causing an international shortage, did you know it takes 400 pounds of corn to make a gallon of ethanol? things that make you go hummm.

You wanna talk about the housing market one that was unnaturally inflated by a group of liberals making it easier to get a loan on a house many couldn't afford. now they are in foreclosure really?!

Also check out the definition of recession here http://economics.about.com/od/economicsglossary/g/recession.htm


So please take look around they want you to think things are bad, but in reality they are not these are good times (unless you are in real-estate) if you are just wait this is just the market correcting itself.







 
These same types of things happened eight years ago when Clinton was in the last months of his presidency. Wall Street gets twitchy when it is uncertain what is going to happen so they start freaking out and the market fluxuates. Cyder is right about the left wing liberals driving this media driven freak out. Al Gore, Mr. Global Warming, if he was so concerned then why did he not address this when he was Vice President? Here is a scary factoid for you. After Hilary Clinton was interviewed my Bill O'Riely earlier this week the far left liberals stopped supporting her! Why? Because she sat down with Bill O'Rielly? She said nothing bad, she just spoke to a person who points out the far lefts agenda in no uncertain terms.

BTW The National Education Association has a "No Layoff" clause in all of its labor agreements. It is hands down the strongest union in the United States at this time. So, lets not freak out.....and just wait and see what happens after the elections.
 
Why blame the liberals for sensationalism in the media? The state of the economy is uncertain, some things look promising yet other things look bad. As for global warming, that's beyond debate now, it's happening and that's a confirmed fact which needs to be addressed ASAP. Our impact & wasteful attitude towards the earths natural resources is massive, and this is not a liberal vs. conservative issue, this is an issue which effects us all & most importantly, future generations;^]
 
vote fer ME and I'll set you free !!

you wimps
 
You got my vote chuck, all I ask is season tickets to the bunny ranch;^]
 
you got 'em ....

lissen up schmucks ......i been bummed about the ecumenical problems two ..... in fact yesterday i tried suicide via papercut ....so far it's been painful and annoying but i don't think i'm checking out soon , ya know ??

so , now i'm gonna try death by swimming-after-a-big-heavy-meal and see how that works
 
ya know what me an the Maharishi do to lower our pollution ?? When in the SUV , we ALWAYS put trash in the little litter basket thing , and if it gets full ...... you just throw it out the window
 
Timmyg1978 wrote :
As for global warming, that's beyond debate now, it's happening and that's a confirmed fact which needs to be addressed ASAP. Our impact & wasteful attitude towards the earths natural resources is massive, and this is not a liberal vs. conservative issue, this is an issue which effects us all & most importantly, future generations;^]



No, sorry to disagree Timmy it is not a scientific fact..... please read this... http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=prnw.20070319.dcm015&show_article=1
During the 70s we had a period of cooling scientists believed we were going through a cooling period, so if a cooling period is possible, why not a warming one? Yes, I do agree we need to be careful and observant of our surroundings and take care of our home but we cannot hang the term "Global Warming" on everything. Being an intelligent steward of our planet for the future is something we can all agree on. But, please do not buy into the hype generated by An Inconvenient Truth.... in the spirit of fairness please watch thses videos..I have they opened my eyes quite a bit... http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/apocalypseno-dvd.html

Eight Reasons to End the Scam

1. Most scientists do not believe human activities threaten to disrupt the Earth’s climate. More than 17,000 scientists have signed a petition circulated by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine saying, in part, “there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.” (Go to www.oism.org for the complete petition and names of signers.) Surveys of climatologists show similar skepticism.

2. Our most reliable sources of temperature data show no global warming trend. Satellite readings of temperatures in the lower troposphere (an area scientists predict would immediately reflect any global warming) show no warming since readings began 23 years ago. These readings are accurate to within 0.01ºC, and are consistent with data from weather balloons. Only land-based temperature stations show a warming trend, and these stations do not cover the entire globe, are often contaminated by heat generated by nearby urban development, and are subject to human error.

3. Global climate computer models are too crude to predict future climate changes. All predictions of global warming are based on computer models, not historical data. In order to get their models to produce predictions that are close to their designers’ expectations, modelers resort to “flux adjustments” that can be 25 times larger than the effect of doubling carbon dioxide concentrations, the supposed trigger for global warming. Richard A. Kerr, a writer for Science, says “climate modelers have been ‘cheating’ for so long it’s almost become respectable.”

4. The IPCC did not prove that human activities are causing global warming. Alarmists frequently quote the executive summaries of reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a United Nations organization, to support their predictions. But here is what the IPCC’s latest report, Climate Change 2001, actually says about predicting the future climate: “The Earth’s atmosphere-ocean dynamics is chaotic: its evolution is sensitive to small perturbations in initial conditions. This sensitivity limits our ability to predict the detailed evolution of weather; inevitable errors and uncertainties in the starting conditions of a weather forecast amplify through the forecast. As well as uncertainty in initial conditions, such predictions are also degraded by errors and uncertainties in our ability to represent accurately the significant climate processes.”

5. A modest amount of global warming, should it occur, would be beneficial to the natural world and to human civilization. Temperatures during the Medieval Warm Period (roughly 800 to 1200 AD), which allowed the Vikings to settle presently inhospitable Greenland, were higher than even the worst-case scenario reported by the IPCC. The period from about 5000-3000 BC, known as the “climatic optimum,” was even warmer and marked “a time when mankind began to build its first civilizations,” observe James Plummer and Frances B. Smith in a study for Consumer Alert. “There is good reason to believe that a warmer climate would have a similar effect on the health and welfare of our own far more advanced and adaptable civilization today.”

6. Efforts to quickly reduce human greenhouse gas emissions would be costly and would not stop Earth’s climate from changing. Reducing U.S. carbon dioxide emissions to 7 percent below 1990’s levels by the year 2012--the target set by the Kyoto Protocol--would require higher energy taxes and regulations causing the nation to lose 2.4 million jobs and $300 billion in annual economic output. Average household income nationwide would fall by $2,700, and state tax revenues would decline by $93.1 billion due to less taxable earned income and sales, and lower property values. Full implementation of the Kyoto Protocol by all participating nations would reduce global temperature in the year 2100 by a mere 0.14 degrees Celsius.

7. Efforts by state governments to reduce greenhouse gas emissions are even more expensive and threaten to bust state budgets. After raising their spending with reckless abandon during the 1990s, states now face a cumulative projected deficit of more than $90 billion. Incredibly, most states nevertheless persist in backing unnecessary and expensive greenhouse gas reduction programs. New Jersey, for example, collects $358 million a year in utility taxes to fund greenhouse gas reduction programs. Such programs will have no impact on global greenhouse gas emissions. All they do is destroy jobs and waste money.

8. The best strategy to pursue is “no regrets.” The alternative to demands for immediate action to “stop global warming” is not to do nothing. The best strategy is to invest in atmospheric research now and in reducing emissions sometime in the future if the science becomes more compelling. In the meantime, investments should be made to reduce emissions only when such investments make economic sense in their own right.

(source: The Heartland Institute)
 
You said it yourself, we are going through a warming period, whether that's man made or natural it's still warming and the ice caps are in fact melting which is flooding the atlantic with fresh water which could in turn, prevent the atlantics conveyor belt from working which brings warm water to the surface (google "Little Ice Age"). I haven't seen Al Gores film & I heard climatolagists warning of this before Gore even began taking up the cause. It's a fact, it's happening, the result is unpredictable, it could be nothing or it could equal an eventual mass extinction like the Permian extinction (leading theories on it are that it resulted from a global rise by an end total of 10 degrees). I don't hear anybody denying the fact anymore, only argueing over the cause and sollution. But by taking action, if we're wrong we'll at least be giving our children cleaner air, if we're right we may be able to save millions of lives and avoid another ice age minor or mass extinction. The global climate is up about a degree & a half, in under twenty years, while it took millions of years for it to get that high during the permian period. My personal opinion is, if we do nothing at all & continue to take our planet and it's resources for granted, it will spell our doom even if not from global warming.

Also, I should mention, Stephen Hawking believes this is our most immediate threat & he actualy warns of a runaway warming effect to the extreme state of being like the planet Venus;^]
 
 

Bloody hell guy's, reading these post you've put me on a right downer, Now where is that rope.

Just chill.
 
jimmy b wrote :

Bloody hell guy's, reading these post you've put me on a right downer, Now where is that rope.

Just chill.


lol.. you & chuck could always try removing your lappys ground pin..lol...jk. Seriously though, if the global climate change does equal dissaster most of us won't be around long enough to see it, the concern is for future generations;^]
 
It's only up 1/2 a degree near major population areas...in rural areas it is down 1/2 a degree (source The Final Report of the Advisory Committee on Weather Control given to the United States Congress October 2007). Hence my stance of we do not know enough to know what we don't know.....

See the liberal media is not giving out all of the information needed for us be fully informed. It is not "sexy" nor does it make for good ratings. Just like the topic this thread was started under, a recession, the media gives us partial facts and tries to scare us into a knee jerk reaction. That makes for great news coverage. So, I encourage everyone to do their own homework on a subject and investigate things for them selves. Like this upcoming election....if you support a candidate please investigate them fully, don't just vote for them because you "like them". Investigate their voting history, what they voted for, how many times they voted. What vote they chose they chose not to vote on. All of these things will help you to make a better choice in November.
 
Timmyg1978 wrote :
jimmy b wrote :

Bloody hell guy's, reading these post you've put me on a right downer, Now where is that rope.

Just chill.


lol.. you & chuck could always try removing your lappys ground pin..lol...jk. Seriously though, if the global climate change does equal dissaster most of us won't be around long enough to see it, the concern is for future generations;^]


Sod them, I'll be 6ft under or burnt, one of the two, haven't decided yet, loooooooooooooooool.

 
TearEmUp wrote :
It's only up 1/2 a degree near major population areas...in rural areas it is down 1/2 a degree (source The Final Report of the Advisory Committee on Weather Control given to the United States Congress October 2007). Hence my stance of we do not know enough to know what we don't know.....



Well we'll just have to agree to disagree, I just tend to think the worst thing to do is nothing at all.

@jimmy, don't forget the marshmellows..lol;^]
 
Timmyg1978 wrote :


@jimmy, don't forget the marshmellows..lol;^]


Nice touch mate.......lol :)

 
i think it should be decided by the feats of strength .......

i think global warming is true and here's why .......how else does KY Warming jelly get WARM ? betcha didn't think o' that
 
would any of you guys like to buy some spinning rims ??? the perfect present for the Jewish festival of the 5 Mayos .......( Cinco de Mayo for you guys who are D-U-M )
 
DJ Cyder:

I agree with you in many respects. It’s good to find others who subscribe to conservative views in line with much of talk radio (Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, etc).
Most people don’t understand the purpose of the media and can’t fathom how the media can be in cahoots with a political party (e.g., Democrat / Liberals), but we can certainly scratch the surface here.

The problem is that the “Drive by” media is indeed having an effect. The fabricated gloom and doom reported is not the problem but the effect is. I am a Registered Nurse and feel very lucky to be in a virtually untouchable career when it comes to the economy. HOWEVER, many of my fiends are not in the medical field and are feeling the “EFFECTS” of the drive-by media’s gloom and doom.

It’s true about people qualifying for home loans when they should’ve been denied or offered a smaller loan. HOWEVER, that doesn’t change the fact that these people are loosing their homes and in turn not spending money. That is a fact. What is also a fact is that the gloom and doom spewed by the drive-by media is making people believe it and fearful and in turn not spending money.
Another, and most important fact, is that oil and all of it’s pricing intricacies have gas prices sky high.

What this adds up to is many people getting reduced hours of work or loosing their jobs.
Take restaurants, retail, and basically all service oriented jobs; they are feeling the fact that people are not spending as much money or tipping as generously. So, it starts with the drive-by, then people loosing their homes, increase gas prices = less spending, people getting less work and in turn they themselves spending less money, then add the people who are believing the gloom and doom and not spending money. It all adds up.

I think this is what SpeedDemond29’s post is all about. Whether the Gloom and Doom is fabricated or not, some of the effects are very real and waiting for the economy to correct itself can be a real struggle for some.
 
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